Adeptus-Alaska Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 so as you all have seen, I've gone and changed my mind again(surprise, right?). not only has the heresy grabbed me by the throat(again), but the Unification War in particular has given me a solid kick in the nerd-nads! The unification train has no breaks...... part of the(original) ship, part of the (original) crew, I guess. So, on to the meat of things. All I have that is hobby related is; 1. the 7th Ed. 40K book 2. a handful of brushes. 3. 5 MKIII marines 4. a really nice set of sculpting and dental tools. 5. eight or nine other bits. 6. motivation. not a lot to work with I know but, It's a start. I have a few questions. 1. what list would best represent the Unification Era? I want to field a force that's engaging in some of it very first battles, before they have a chance to establish their favoured method of warfare. 2. how far did the pre-Imperial warmachine get Armor mark wise? MKII? MKIII? 3. is there any internet presence for the Unification Wars fanboys? I believe that's all for now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 The Unification War was exclusively MkI. MkII was introduced for the Great Crusade, with MkIII being an up-armoured version of MkII to perform better in CQC environments. There's a spattering of UW fluff, but there isn't really enough to paint a solid picture of it. Well, asides from the fact that the Emperor really hated Sweden. :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4152858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Mk. I was Thunder Armour, which was not used by Astartes. Mk. III was the very first suit of Power Armour used by the Astartes Legions, so it is fine. I don't see anything wrong with using Mk. III either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4152864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Mk II was used in the Unification Wars once they left Terra (as they didn't end when Terra was fully united, but at the edge of the Sol system on Sedna). Reinforced Mk II most probably existed at the time, though not as a distinct pattern. List-wise, I'd say use Tactical Vets as your base troops. Give them volkite chargers if your force is post-Olympus Treaty. Otherwise, good old bolters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4152870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 IIRC, Mk II was created for the first void combat in the taking of Luna, so for the entire Terran unification, it was Mk I. Mk III, in the old days was said to be made specifically to fight the Squats, but more recently it was an up-armoring of Mk II for boarding missions and other close quarter fights where there was little cover to be had - tunnels and the like. In the project Hyenas and I are doing, we're just taking some creative license and using up to Mk IV because Forge World doesn't make a Mk I, it would be expensive and time consuming to convert an entire army to Mk I, and it prevents your entire army from looking exactly the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4152875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus-Alaska Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share Posted August 21, 2015 IIRC, Mk II was created for the first void combat in the taking of Luna, so for the entire Terran unification, it was Mk I. Mk III, in the old days was said to be made specifically to fight the Squats, but more recently it was an up-armoring of Mk II for boarding missions and other close quarter fights where there was little cover to be had - tunnels and the like. In the project Hyenas and I are doing, we're just taking some creative license and using up to Mk IV because Forge World doesn't make a Mk I, it would be expensive and time consuming to convert an entire army to Mk I, and it prevents your entire army from looking exactly the same. oh yes, I am following your guys' thread with great interest. I miss going over to hyenas house. he's a great guy, even nicer in real life. lucky to have him as a friend. oh, and his Astral Claws looked WAAAY better in real life as well. (*girley Squeal* I actually got to touch them....it was like holding the holy grail!) AHEM. sorry, fanboy moment. yeah I think I'm going to take some heavy license as well. maybe not MKIV(who knows though) but I am definitely gonna use some Thunder armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4152889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I was under the impression that Astartes couldn't actually fit in standard Mk. I Armour, as it's built to be worn by Thunder Warriors which are... a bit larger than Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4153000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I was under the impression that Astartes couldn't actually fit in standard Mk. I Armour, as it's built to be worn by Thunder Warriors which are... a bit larger than Astartes. The key here is "standard". Mk I was not standard, it was the name retroactively given to all imperial power armour prior to the development of Mk II. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4153008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 That's as annoying as Mk. V catch-all crap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4153014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 The Unification War was exclusively MkI. MkII was introduced for the Great Crusade, with MkIII being an up-armoured version of MkII to perform better in CQC environments. There's a spattering of UW fluff, but there isn't really enough to paint a solid picture of it. Well, asides from the fact that the Emperor really hated Sweden. I missed that thing about the Emperor hating sweden ? Have you got a link or something ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4153236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 That's as annoying as Mk. V catch-all crap. To play Devil's Advocate, though, the Thunder Armour was worn even by the Emperor's enemy armies, as the Tontrua Milites was not the only techno-barbarians on Terra. This means that every suit of armour could vary drastically, especially considering the Mad Max-esqe feel of Old Earth after Night had faded. So much gained, so much lost, so much scavenged and pieced back together. The varied levels of technology across all of blasted terra could have ranged from loincloths and bone-clubs, to advanced AI and phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range (See what I did there? :P ). Don't let it be annoying. Let it be a source of inspiration to draw the mightiest relics of the Dark Age of Technology forth into the Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4153532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Wasn't the unification war technically the conquest of the solar system? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4153539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Aye. The final action of the Unification was the destruction of the xenos world-construct at the interior edge of the Oort cloud by the combined might of humanity united, also the first action of the Great Crusade. Our message to mankind who survived Old Night: We are coming, brother and sisters. Our message to those who abused humanity through the Darkness : Death whispers, listen closely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4153541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 That's as annoying as Mk. V catch-all crap. To play Devil's Advocate, though, the Thunder Armour was worn even by the Emperor's enemy armies, as the Tontrua Milites was not the only techno-barbarians on Terra. This means that every suit of armour could vary drastically, especially considering the Mad Max-esqe feel of Old Earth after Night had faded. So much gained, so much lost, so much scavenged and pieced back together. The varied levels of technology across all of blasted terra could have ranged from loincloths and bone-clubs, to advanced AI and phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range (See what I did there? ). Don't let it be annoying. Let it be a source of inspiration to draw the mightiest relics of the Dark Age of Technology forth into the Heresy. Aye, I suppose that makes more sense. I do want to do at least a ZM army for my namesake... I think I'd just stick with Mk. II & III, however. I'm just pleased as punch that I've inspired BCK to do a force in my honor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4153551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I missed that thing about the Emperor hating sweden ? Have you got a link or something ? The Last Church by Graham McNeill. It isn't the greatest short-story, but it's alright nonetheless. :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4153756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 The legionaries that came across hauser were in legion pattern power armor. The FW books also have examples of legions in power armor fighting on Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4153823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Scars presented a pair of Ordu warriors in ceremonial Mk. I Armour outside the Khan's door, modified for their height and size. I guarantee the first intruders who assumed 'ceremonial' meant decorative or non-functional found out how terribly, violently wrong they were. No Legionnaire of any Legion would bear armour that would hinder their duties, especially when the safety of their liege is concerned. In other words, that 'Mk. I' plate is most likely perfectly lethal in the right hands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4153870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viridia Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I'd always gone along under the assumption that thunderMk I armour had been the name for the armour of both the Thunder Warriors and then the original Astartes, since we're told it's named that because of the lightning iconography, which was an Imperial symbol rather than just Thunder Warrior-associated, and then we get Mk II in time for the assault on Luna. (I've got this idea in my head that the Emperor travelled to Mars in order to secure Mechanicum support, including the design and manufacture of Mk II, before he finished the Unification Wars) I suppose you could try and look at some of Anvil Industries or other companies backpack/power plants and body-parts for something that looks less 'advanced' than Mk II. Other than that, in terms of the army list I'd avoid anything that's mentioned as being introduced in the Great Crusade or by a Primarch, so no Typhon, no primarchs, probably try to avoid a lot of the Legion specific units like IF Templars, (after all, no Phalanx means no Temple of Oaths) and what not. You may want to use volkite weapons a lot since that's when they were most prevalent if I remember rightly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4154055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus-Alaska Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Choom choom. Yeah, there will be volkites. And holy crap, hyaenidae finally stopped by one of his battle-buddy's threads........And stayed a while. You should pm me your number bro, I don't seem to have it any more. How the wife and kids? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4154172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I would also assume terminator armor would be rare. Breachers would be used in the standard terminator role instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4154304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus-Alaska Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 i was thinking that too, but the idea if grey terminators with yellow right arms is too good to pass on. maybe tartaros? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4154645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I think Tartaros is one of the later marks of Terminator armour: Cataphractii would be earlier Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4154650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus-Alaska Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 I think Tartaros is one of the later marks of Terminator armour: Cataphractii would be earlier crap! well, maybe use them as a base to build up some saturnine.......yeah, that'll do nicely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4154691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Ah yes Kasper Hawser met legionnaries in red on earth. The only thing with that is that we know Kaspers memories were messed with an so his recollections are flawed, so he could be used to spy on the Wolves. But we do not know who the spy was,so they could have implanted what they knew of the Thousand Sons Legion into his memories? It could have been someone who had never been from Terra at the start of the unification and only knew Magnus' legion through meeting them later on in the crusade... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4154692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegriss Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I believe there where some actions that occurred on earth after many campaigns in the wider sol system where under way as well there where folks who changed there mind once the emperor was was a little further away from home Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312697-some-unification-campaign-questions/#findComment-4155472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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