BLUESH33P Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Okay, I'm fairly settled on about 2000 points of my unbound 2500 point army, with the list currently as follows: - Lord Commissar - Scion Command Squad (5 man with all upgrades) - Scion Squads (9 Man with melta, plasma & vox caster + Commissar) x 2 - Taurox Prime w/ TL Gatling Cannon - Taurox Prime w/ Missile Launcher - Valkyries w/ lascannon, rocket pods, heavy bolters x 2 - Knight Warden w/ Gatling, Ironstorm rockets & Thunderstrike Gauntlet - Deathstrike - Wyverns x 2 But I'm not sure where to go next, I've thought about a few options though: - Knight Paladin + Errant to make a Baronial Court (This would require sacrificing one of the Valks though) OR - Leman Russ Executioner + 2 Battle tanks OR - Dante + 5 Sanguinary Guard (I started a BA army a while back so I already have these guys) OR - Some Deathwatch dudes purely for the rule of cool The main point though, and I guess the most tempting of the options presented, is for maybe a heap of Hellhounds or something that can go ahead of my army to absorb firepower while my artillery rains hell down upon the enemy - sought of as an armoured vanguard. Does anyone know of a unit that could do a better job of this though? So any thoughts? I'm really alright with anything except normal guardsmen, not sure why but I just dislike the units and the way they often seem to work in-game Also: Does anyone know if the Militarum Tempestus Codex is worth getting or not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312747-vanguard-for-militarum-tempestus/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'm Heckus Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I was against it first but when the soft back came out I picked one up and I've been pleased with it. The MT specific orders are nice and I enjoyed reading the fluff and timeline entries. Also gives the option for taking a cheap commissar as your HQ if you don't plan on using a command squad. Some things that would have been nice (in my opinion) but did NOT make it into the codex are interesting wargear, variant squad set ups, or a special character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312747-vanguard-for-militarum-tempestus/#findComment-4153926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I feel the Sciondex could have done with a bit more too, but if you want to run a proper Stormie force it's the only choice! So I think the answer is something only you can give ;) They've a bit of a glass hammer, but a challenge is always fun especially if you look great on the table top. A great army if you want to hit hard and play clever - who dares wins! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312747-vanguard-for-militarum-tempestus/#findComment-4153947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0MMY Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Just my two cents (pence actually) and you may already have been planning this, but I wouldn't mix plasma gun and melta gun in a single squad. If you're running two squads I'd have one plasma and one melta equipped so you maximise using both weapon types... I think another Knight maybe - but only because I like massive models and it might split fire that would otherwise all be directed at your Warden. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312747-vanguard-for-militarum-tempestus/#findComment-4154416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Take the Baronial Court. You maximize the usage of the Knights that way and you get some nifty wargear to choose . Having two Valkyries doing the same job will get it done more quickly, but the Warden can do what they can do, too. Remember: Errant for elite and vehicles, Paladin for troops and armour, and the Warden for everything in between. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312747-vanguard-for-militarum-tempestus/#findComment-4154523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUESH33P Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 All valid points, and the idea of the baronial court is tempting, but I'm thinking this might be cool: - Knight Warden - Knight Pally - 2x Wyverns - 3x 10 man scion squads (two Plasma squads in taurox primes, one melta squad in a valkyrie) - 2 x Aegis Defense Line - Imperial Bastion - Coteaz for Warlord - Fully upgraded scion command squad - Deathstrike - A commissar with both plasma scions - Sanguinary priest with the airborne meltas (Since they won't have the cover of the defence line) So I'm envisioning this would play out with the extra long aegis defense line crossing my deployment zone, with 2 disembarked scion (Plasma) squads, their tauroxes and commissars laying down fire from behind the aegis whilst the command squad sits in the bastion just behind the lines. The knights would each be sitting just behind each flank to close the gaps and charge any big nasties that get too close (As I believe the Imperial knight specialist said the two complement each other quite well, can't remember his name though ): ). Meanwhile, the valkyrie would be able to move up the board and drop the melta squad somewhere close to the biggest blob of enemy armour, and the wyverns would be trying to take out any expensive looking infantry. The deathstrike would be the anti-death-star or otherwise emergency weapon. Coteaz would be chilling in the bastion with the command squad. Does this sound at all fun and/or competitive? Opinions welcome PS Imersturm was the specialist I was thinking of - props to him for extensive IK tactica! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312747-vanguard-for-militarum-tempestus/#findComment-4155834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Deathstrike is fun, but a little unreliable for a competitive list unless you like your gambles - it'll be a huge fire magnet. Commissars don't really add much to the Scions squads but otherwise the list looks ok. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312747-vanguard-for-militarum-tempestus/#findComment-4155893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUESH33P Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 Deathstrike is fun, but a little unreliable for a competitive list unless you like your gambles - it'll be a huge fire magnet. Commissars don't really add much to the Scions squads but otherwise the list looks ok. Yeah I was a bit apprehensive about both of those, though I guess that just means I can put the points towards a Knight Errant (Or some such knight) and have a full baronial court > That said, would an Errant be a good idea or would a second pally be better? I'm currently planning to give the warden an Ironstorm pod and the pally a twin-icarus AA turret, as I don't yet have much AA except perhaps from the aegis' turrets *Edit* I'd need to drop something else as well to add the errant, does anything other than the commissars or the deathstrike jump out as completely useless? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312747-vanguard-for-militarum-tempestus/#findComment-4155953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I've yet to field my Knight (soon...) but my understanding is that while the Errant's melta is good the Paladin's cannon is a stalwart. As Guard players we can see why; a rapid fire battle cannon on a mobile, tough and stabby platform? Not many targets that can't handle so it makes for a good default choice :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312747-vanguard-for-militarum-tempestus/#findComment-4155959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUESH33P Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 I've yet to field my Knight (soon...) but my understanding is that while the Errant's melta is good the Paladin's cannon is a stalwart. As Guard players we can see why; a rapid fire battle cannon on a mobile, tough and stabby platform? Not many targets that can't handle so it makes for a good default choice Aye, and the battle cannon does look far more elegant, but I'd need to find something else to get rid of in order to afford it I might be able to drop the bastion, but I'm not sure exactly how many points it would save me as I can't find the cost online *Edit* Found the cost, 75 pts apparently. So if I dropped it, the commissars and the deathstrike I would have 325... maybe I should find something else to target. Though the gallant is only 325 pts... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312747-vanguard-for-militarum-tempestus/#findComment-4155961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUESH33P Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 Oops... realised I still had cypher's point cost in my calculations from when I briefly considered him haha, all is good, I can fit a second pally! So, conclusion, I removed Coteaz as well to make room for the full baronial court and made the Warden my Warlord (Wardenlord?). This army is gonna be fun... Thanks WarriorFish for your war counsel! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312747-vanguard-for-militarum-tempestus/#findComment-4155968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 The Emperor's providence surely..? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312747-vanguard-for-militarum-tempestus/#findComment-4155973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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