Daemon2027 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Sorry if this was asked before probably a long time ago now, but as far as we know, did Crysos Morturg survive Istvaan III, to the point where he could still be fighting against the Warmasters forces. I've had and idea! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 yeah he survived, he got rescued by the Ordo Reductor Magos and managed it to get back to Terra afaik^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Oh, he survived all right. Became the first known example of a Black Shield in canon. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Damn, so he went back to terra and changed his colours. I've been watching a lot of Star Wars Clone Wars and Rebels and the idea of a untrained psychic rebel fighting against 'the bad guys' was appealing to me. Was thinking Death Guard colours, death guard symbol defaced, right hand painted red! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 well, he was part of the death guard destroyer corps, so afaik he should have been blacked at istvaan ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 True true. Ok so here's what's been flying around my head today. Morturg is a seriously cool guy. So bitterly stubborn he refused to die, he led the surfacing Loyal Death Guard on Istvaan III, and he was a repressed psyker as well. The idea of a Death Gaurd scheme but with a red arm is also appealing. If I was to base an army on him though I'm running the danger of creating a narrative that would be made redundant by future FW, especially if they do black shields with him as a character. Or, I could base my own character off him. Maybe a lieutenant of his who choose to keep waging a war against the Warmasters without reporting to Terra. Only thing is the repetition of the repressed psyker theme. But damn is it a cool idea. Of course I could just keep building traitor Death Guard, I'll probably make a Mortaurg model anyway cos I've fallen in love with him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I've always wondered the difference between Black Shields and Knights Errant in 30K. I'd assume he'd join Garro's Merry Band of Men, but it seems that the Black Shields are a separate entity of Loyalist elements originating from Traitor Legions. Hopefully Book 6 will shed light upon the differences (other than sanctioning by Malcador the Not Tank). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I've always wondered the difference between Black Shields and Knights Errant in 30K. I'd assume he'd join Garro's Merry Band of Men, but it seems that the Black Shields are a separate entity of Loyalist elements originating from Traitor Legions. Hopefully Book 6 will shed light upon the differences (other than sanctioning by Malcador the Not Tank). The difference, as far as I can deduce, is than the Knights Errant are directly controlled by Malcador, are considered his agents and carry his authority. This removes them from the direct chain of command amongst usual Legion forces. Black Shields, on the other hand, have divested themselves of their old Legion ties (whether in shame, hatred or otherwise) but still fight for the Throne as Legiones Astartes. How exactly these early Black Shields operate and fit in to the command architecture of the Imperium remains to be seen. Perhaps they operate as a separate force. Perhaps they are seconded to Legion forces, such as the Imperial Fists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Tithing themselves to Loyal Legions may work, but the way the different Loyalists receive them would vary, I'm sure. They're probably quite suspicious, though not as full of pure hate as a 40K Astartes would be to a Traitor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I am not sure that the Black Shield thing has to be separate form the Knight Errant. What exactly a Black Shield means is unlikely to be the same as it means in 40k Deathwatch. I can't see Malcador letting some one like Morturg slipping through his fingers. There are many more Knight Errants then have been written about in Black library and Forge World combined, Malcador cast a wide net. I think Morturg must have become a Knight Errant also even with the moniker "Black Shield". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I always got the impression that the knights Errant were somewhat limited in numbers. I wouldn't be surprised if the total planned organisation happened to be around fifty individuals or less. However, that does not invalidate the point that Morturg could have been both a Black Shield and a Knight Errant. Being a Black Shield is as much a state of being as it is a group to belong to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Weren't there 72 Loyalist Death Guard Astartes on the Esienstein alone? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Weren't there 72 Loyalist Death Guard Astartes on the Esienstein alone? I recall that the latest iteration of the story had them all be Death Guard but I cannot remember the exact number. About seventy sounds plausible. Afaik, though, only Garro was made a Knight Errant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Hmph... Seems a bit of a waste to have all of those other guys just wasting away on the Moon when they've already done more than enough to prove their Loyalty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Hmph... Seems a bit of a waste to have all of those other guys just wasting away on the Moon when they've already done more than enough to prove their Loyalty. Well, being a Knight Errant may not a job for everyone. It's possible that the other Death Guard simply became Black Shields. Still useful. Still effective. Just surplus to Malcador's requirements, perhaps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Isn't Betrayal written as though it's a testimony from Morturg? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Part of it is, mainly the testimony of the Loyalist holdout and eventual defeat on Isstvan III, but there's rumor it's written from the accounts of Sister of Silence Amandera Kendall (or whatever). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Isn't Betrayal written as though it's a testimony from Morturg? There are excerpts involving him in Betrayal, but the book is not strictly from his perspective. The in-universe author/chronicler signs the foreword with 'AK'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I always got the impression that the knights Errant were somewhat limited in numbers. I wouldn't be surprised if the total planned organisation happened to be around fifty individuals or less. However, that does not invalidate the point that Morturg could have been both a Black Shield and a Knight Errant. Being a Black Shield is as much a state of being as it is a group to belong to. From the Gates of Terra HH short Story. The warrior exhaled a long and rueful breath. ‘Run it again,’ he said, turning from the hololith. ‘Run them all again.’ The mag-lift was still climbing. Hundreds of chambers were revealed, their subjects under psychic trance, each presided over by a Librarian from diverse Legions sent back to Terra by Captain Garro and his cohorts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I don't believe I've read that story yet. Is there a physical copy anywhere to be found? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I don't believe I've read that story yet. Is there a physical copy anywhere to be found? http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/gates-of-terra-ebook.html Its a E short as far as i know. might be in a compilation somewhere by now. The part i quoted is the only new light shed on the scale of the Knight Errants i have found Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 Errrmmmm thanks guys interesting discussion. Think it's best to leave Mortaug alone in terms of making a narrative around him. Possibly better to have a standard praetor and a Librarian, make them a separate faction hitting out against Warmasters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312922-crysos-morturg/#findComment-4157854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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