Charnabal saber question.

[shaun03]

If you equip you model with the saber and other weapon, would still get the +1 initiative bonus?

 

Example taking legion champion and giving him saber and lighting claw, electing to use lighting claw in challeng, I should still gain the 1+ initiative right?

[WolfOfHorus]

In a challenge, yes.

[Dono1979]

No, you cant:

 

Page 41, BRB

MORE THAN ONE WEAPON
Unless otherwise stated, if a model has more than one shooting
weapon, he must choose which one to shoot - he cannot fire
both in the same Shooting phase. If a model has more than
one Melee weapon, he must choose which one to attack with
when he comes to strike blows - he cannot mix and match the
abilities of several different Melee weapons. However, it's worth
remembering that if a model has two or more Melee weapons he
gains +1 attack in close combat (pg 49).

[WolfOfHorus]

Stand corrected, haven't read that section in at least 2 years.

[Dono1979]

Stand corrected, haven't read that section in at least 2 years.

 

To be truthful, I only got corrected on it a few days ago myself 

[shaun03]

Thank's for the answers

[shamsael]

Sorry to necro, but the Red Book no longer includes the "he cannot mix and match the abilities of several different Melee weapons"  part.

 

It reads: If a model has more than one Melee weapon, he must choose which one to attack with when he comes to strike blows."

 

Do we think this change is functional, made specifically to allow weapons like the charnabal saber to offer benefit as an offhand weapon?  Or were they trying to reduce word count, but with the intent of preventing an off-hand saber from improving the Initiative of, say, a Paragon Blade or Power Sword?

[carlisimo]

I’d assume it’s not a functional change.

 

The charnabal sabre gives the initiative bonus in a challenge to “the user of this weapon” - maybe if it said “the owning model” he wouldn’t have to actually use it.

[shamsael]

I’d assume it’s not a functional change.

 

The charnabal sabre gives the initiative bonus in a challenge to “the user of this weapon” - maybe if it said “the owning model” he wouldn’t have to actually use it.

 

I kind of agree, actually.

 

I think the intent is that "choosing/selecting a weapon" as described in the shooting phase matters.  You're only actually the "user" of a weapon if you selected it to make your attack.  There's also wording in the Weapon Type section that would imply that the special rules don't trigger at all unless you're "Using" the weapon, not just when you have it equipped.

[K3nn3rs]

Consider it from your opponents perspective.

 

At best you have an awkward rules discusion at worse you risk a disagreement that upsets the game.

 

For me you need to use the weapon to get the benefits.