Riedler Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 MG makes it dual purpose and that can be important HF just gives you one more template but I guess its a numbers game What do you use and why? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312938-mg-or-hf-for-fragiosos/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolchiate Remembrancer Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 HF vs hordes, but not high saves. MG when I need the added tank busting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312938-mg-or-hf-for-fragiosos/#findComment-4157349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I have found the frag to be a little underwhelming vs 4 up saves. I'd generally go for the flamer, but others will disagree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312938-mg-or-hf-for-fragiosos/#findComment-4157417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Flamer all the way, just saturate. Your Fist can hurt anything that the Melta would better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312938-mg-or-hf-for-fragiosos/#findComment-4157428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
korban Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Heavy flamer needs extra armour, other wise you can't shoot when shaken or stunned. Melta at least has a snapshot chance. Heavy flamer sure hurts on overwatch tho. Anyone know if an immobile dreadnaught could overwatch a squad charging from the rear?, and then, if not, can overwatch against a squad in front, before the charge phase ends? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312938-mg-or-hf-for-fragiosos/#findComment-4157493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot Earp Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I prefer Flamer. Only time i equip them with meltas is when i bring not enough tacs or meltacide squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312938-mg-or-hf-for-fragiosos/#findComment-4157654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Heavy flamer needs extra armour, other wise you can't shoot when shaken or stunned. Melta at least has a snapshot chance. Heavy flamer sure hurts on overwatch tho. Anyone know if an immobile dreadnaught could overwatch a squad charging from the rear?, and then, if not, can overwatch against a squad in front, before the charge phase ends? Advocating a melta due to that exeptionally rare set of circumstances seems a bad idea. Dreads can kill tough tanks in combat, but struggle with hordes. 2x template weapons is tasty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312938-mg-or-hf-for-fragiosos/#findComment-4157689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Gonna go out on a limb and recommend the MG. Weapons now fire sequentially which means that the frag cannon will already have fired by the time you fire the heavy flamer. A lot of times there will not be anything left alive within template range. If you are facing 4+ save infantry then you may get more value out of the heavy flamer. However if you add in a melta gun, you now pose a much more serious threat to MEQs and TEQs as well as having something that can ID T4 multi-wound models. Also against vehicles you now have a melta shot plus 2 automatic S6 Rending hits. I think the melta gun adds a lot to the Fragioso whereas the heavy flamer is going to be overkill against 5+ or worse armour and underkill against MEQs/TEQs. That said, mine is magnetised. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312938-mg-or-hf-for-fragiosos/#findComment-4157784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Used to be a huge fan of MG when the Grapple was an S8, AP2. Now, prefer the HF. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312938-mg-or-hf-for-fragiosos/#findComment-4157799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Some good points from Karherdronuk. One thing to note is that the frag cannon is point for point better at killing MEQ and TEQ than GEQ, while the heavy flamer is for GEQ and Gaunts. I say this as the frag wounds both marines and guard on a 2 plus, and allows saves. This allows you to put many wounds onto a marine squad, where each failed save is a big loss. Say you hit and wound 3 marines and 3 guardsmen. Allowing for armour, thats one dead marine (14pts?) vs 2 dead guardsmen (8pts). The heavy flamer is more efficient for killing GEQ, while the Frag is more effecient for killing MEQ and TEQ, with that critical rending rule. Having both the frag and flamer is essentially multi tasking the unit, to allow it to take on all infantry effectively. The heavy flamer ignoring both 4 plus saves and cover, is is my eyes, more useful to an army, especially when it's already S10 AP2 in combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312938-mg-or-hf-for-fragiosos/#findComment-4157807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klazien Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I had the same problem. So I've just been taking one of each. MG for vehicles (preferably opentop) and HF for foot slogged. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312938-mg-or-hf-for-fragiosos/#findComment-4158112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjr Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Is Extra Armor worth the "3 melta bombs" for Fragiosos? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312938-mg-or-hf-for-fragiosos/#findComment-4160017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I say no. It's generally not worth it, for a 1/6 roll on the damage chart. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312938-mg-or-hf-for-fragiosos/#findComment-4160111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Heavy Flamer. No half measures. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312938-mg-or-hf-for-fragiosos/#findComment-4160356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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