Templar-themed Blood Angels Successor

[Doctor Perils]

So nobody's a fan of Knights Ascendant? I really had my heart set on that one. Gaah!

If you had your heart set on Knights Ascendent then that is all you need to know. If you were hoping we would give you one particular answer, then :cuss what everyone else thinks and take that

Of the list provided, I think the Cavaliers is the most interesting name. However, the name itself brings certain connotations that probably don't gel well with your intended theme.

I agree with both points

[Sir Perfluous]

So nobody's a fan of Knights Ascendant? I really had my heart set on that one. Gaah!

If you had your heart set on Knights Ascendent then that is all you need to know. If you were hoping we would give you one particular answer, then :cuss what everyone else thinks and take that

Of the list provided, I think the Cavaliers is the most interesting name. However, the name itself brings certain connotations that probably don't gel well with your intended theme.

I agree with both points

I did sort of hope that that name would be liked, but I suggested others in order to have something to compare that name to as well as to see what others thought about other possible ideas. I mean, I like the sound of it, I'm just not sure if it would be the best name fluff-wise for the chapter. I really decided that thet was the one I preferred after I put all of the names up here, and could mull them over for a bit, anyway.

The Cavaliers could bring up the misconception that they were cavalier in attitude. I never hought about that.

Thank you for the suggestions and help - if I do end up going for something you didn't suggest, do know that I tried to take all you opinions into account. Thanks!

[Doctor Perils]

The Cavaliers could bring up the misconception that they were cavalier in attitude. I never hought about that.

Thank you for the suggestions and help - if I do end up going for something you didn't suggest, do know that I tried to take all you opinions into account. Thanks!

And we're happy to give you advice

I have to admit that I don't really agree with Cavalier as a synonym to Knight: a Cavalier is basically a Cavalry trooper (at least in french), and that's got slightly more modern connotations to me, like at the time when muskets were prevalent...

[Sir Perfluous]

 

a Cavalier is basically a Cavalry trooper (at least in french), and that's got slightly more modern connotations to me, like at the time when muskets were prevalent...

I'd say that boltguns have slightly more modern connotations than muskets! :) But I get what you mean.

[Doctor Perils]

a Cavalier is basically a Cavalry trooper (at least in french), and that's got slightly more modern connotations to me, like at the time when muskets were prevalent...

I'd say that boltguns have slightly more modern connotations than muskets! But I get what you mean.

Yeah, modern compared to Knights in Shining Armour

[Olis]

To me, the name and it's connotations (we're really getting our mileage out of that word today) bring up a theme-clash, with the word evoking ideas and images of the English Civil War, moustaches and curly hair.

[Sir Perfluous]

To me, the name and it's connotations (we're really getting our mileage out of that word today) bring up a theme-clash, with the word evoking ideas and images of the English Civil War, moustaches and curly hair.

Yep, I think I'll steer away from Cavaliers, then.

Though a moustachioed, curly-haired space marine would be great! I have yet to see a space marine with elegant facial hair - they all seem to go with the Space Wolves approach if they have any at all. I'll put it under gene-seed defects - all Knights have absurdly luxurious moustaches and Charles the First-style hair.

[Doctor Perils]

To me, the name and it's connotations (we're really getting our mileage out of that word today) bring up a theme-clash, with the word evoking ideas and images of the English Civil War, moustaches and curly hair.

Yep, I think I'll steer away from Cavaliers, then.

Though a moustachioed, curly-haired space marine would be great! I have yet to see a space marine with elegant facial hair - they all seem to go with the Space Wolves approach if they have any at all. I'll put it under gene-seed defects - all Knights have absurdly luxurious moustaches and Charles the First-style hair.

Or someone could create a separate chapter called the Cavaliers based on the English Civil war with kinds of Pike and Shot formations and squads of "Horse"

[Arkangilos]

To me, the name and it's connotations (we're really getting our mileage out of that word today) bring up a theme-clash, with the word evoking ideas and images of the English Civil War, moustaches and curly hair.

Yep, I think I'll steer away from Cavaliers, then.

Though a moustachioed, curly-haired space marine would be great! I have yet to see a space marine with elegant facial hair - they all seem to go with the Space Wolves approach if they have any at all. I'll put it under gene-seed defects - all Knights have absurdly luxurious moustaches and Charles the First-style hair.

Or someone could create a separate chapter called the Cavaliers based on the English Civil war with kinds of Pike and Shot formations and squads of "Horse"

Honestly, that sounds more like a job for the Imperial Guard xD

[Conn Eremon]

Man. I was all set on recommending the Knights Cavalier until I read further.

 

Still like it too.

[Knurd]

While the original grail belongs to the Blood Angels, have you given any thought to maybe having a grail that held Sanguinius' blood at Signus Prime?

[Arkangilos]

While the original grail belongs to the Blood Angels, have you given any thought to maybe having a grail that held Sanguinius' blood at Signus Prime?

There's nothing actually stating he didn't have more than one "Red Grail" I'm sure most second founding chapters would have had one.

 

And all chapters would have at least one Grail with his blood. It's part of the gene seed process.

[Sir Perfluous]

The new idea that I have in the IA - that was mentioned before, I think, is the Font of Blood - it's essentially a big, stone bath full of holy blood. Instead of drinking from it, the afflicted marine is immersed in it (though it was partly smashed up by a chapter master a while ago). I have no idea where the blood in it came from, so for the minute, nor does the chapter. :) I don't know whether to leave it deliberately ambiguous or not.

[Arkangilos]

I like that

[Sir Perfluous]

I like that

I'm glad! Hopefully it'll help differentiate it from all the other grails that seem to be everywhere in 40k.

[Doctor Perils]

The new idea that I have in the IA - that was mentioned before, I think, is the Font of Blood - it's essentially a big, stone bath full of holy blood. Instead of drinking from it, the afflicted marine is immersed in it (though it was partly smashed up by a chapter master a while ago). I have no idea where the blood in it came from, so for the minute, nor does the chapter. I don't know whether to leave it deliberately ambiguous or not.

I hadn't seen the name (I like it) and I think it was mentioned in the Grail Wardens thread. have you thought about the Font being used to create new marines too ? Like, one dip turns you into a space marine, two dips heals you but turns you mad, and three dips... well no one has ever had three dips...

I'd be n favour of it staying ambiguous, but I could understand others saying they don't like that. It is however important still to give some theories about it, to show that you've thought it through, and so that people really understand there is a possibility that it is something darker, and not just a blank page syndrome.

[Sir Perfluous]

The new idea that I have in the IA - that was mentioned before, I think, is the Font of Blood - it's essentially a big, stone bath full of holy blood. Instead of drinking from it, the afflicted marine is immersed in it (though it was partly smashed up by a chapter master a while ago). I have no idea where the blood in it came from, so for the minute, nor does the chapter. I don't know whether to leave it deliberately ambiguous or not.

I hadn't seen the name (I like it) and I think it was mentioned in the Grail Wardens thread. have you thought about the Font being used to create new marines too ? Like, one dip turns you into a space marine, two dips heals you but turns you mad, and three dips... well no one has ever had three dips...

I'd be n favour of it staying ambiguous, but I could understand others saying they don't like that. It is however important still to give some theories about it, to show that you've thought it through, and so that people really understand there is a possibility that it is something darker, and not just a blank page syndrome.

Having a dip to make you into a space marine... I hadn't considered that, actually. The Blood Angels have something similar with their grails don't they? I can't remember off the top of my head. It could also spawn some interesting rituals when they are immersed a second time - "As you were born, so now are you reborn", that sort of stuff.

As for what it is, there is speculation within the chapter, though in my head there are only sketched out ideas as to what this speculation is.

One is that the Knights have their own legends concerning the Grail Warden grail, and believe it to be Sanguinius' blood from a special event (the battle aboard the Vengeful Spirit? They believe that the Font is a remenant of that blood or something... I know that that idea's fairly weak, but I think there's a solution within it. After all, the reason the Knights stayed on Avalon at all was that they thought the Font was holy and thus Avalon had been gifted to them by Sanguinius (who they revere to fanatical levels - you'll have to wait for the IA for the full scoop on that :) ).

I like the idea that it may be something darker... "However, some whispers claim that the Font is not all that the Knight believe it to be...

Thoughts?

[Arkangilos]

Why would they think the blood in the font came from the Grail the wardens protect that is filled with the blood of the oath makers?

[Sir Perfluous]

Why would they think the blood in the font came from the Grail the wardens protect that is filled with the blood of the oath makers?

My reasoning was that they were never part of the original Grail Wardens and had thus never seen the grail, and had no idea what it looked like or contained. This means that they think up a load of possibilities for it, the blood of Sanguinius among them. This is still a pretty rubbish idea though, as I can't think of any way to link the Grail and the Font that makes sense. If they thought that the Font was the Grail, then why didn't they take it back to Golgotha?

[Arkangilos]

The two don't have to be connected. Heck, your guys don't even have to know about the grail on Golgotha until we come and say, "Hey, you have an honor obligation to uphold."

[Sir Perfluous]

The two don't have to be connected. Heck, your guys don't even have to know about the grail on Golgotha until we come and say, "Hey, you have an honor obligation to uphold."

True. Still, I'd quite like to make the grail quest a big part of their fluff. Give them something to wake up for in the morning, and all that.

[Arkangilos]

 

The two don't have to be connected. Heck, your guys don't even have to know about the grail on Golgotha until we come and say, "Hey, you have an honor obligation to uphold."

True. Still, I'd quite like to make the grail quest a big part of their fluff. Give them something to wake up for in the morning, and all that.

 

That is still a big part of their fluff, but it doesn't mean that they have to have had it in some big myth. The legend was built around the quest they participated in, and can use the facts in a way that we do it with King Arthur.

[EesiOh]

The new idea that I have in the IA - that was mentioned before, I think, is the Font of Blood - it's essentially a big, stone bath full of holy blood. Instead of drinking from it, the afflicted marine is immersed in it (though it was partly smashed up by a chapter master a while ago). I have no idea where the blood in it came from, so for the minute, nor does the chapter. I don't know whether to leave it deliberately ambiguous or not.

I hadn't seen the name (I like it) and I think it was mentioned in the Grail Wardens thread. have you thought about the Font being used to create new marines too ? Like, one dip turns you into a space marine, two dips heals you but turns you mad, and three dips... well no one has ever had three dips...

I'd be n favour of it staying ambiguous, but I could understand others saying they don't like that. It is however important still to give some theories about it, to show that you've thought it through, and so that people really understand there is a possibility that it is something darker, and not just a blank page syndrome.

Having a dip to make you into a space marine... I hadn't considered that, actually. The Blood Angels have something similar with their grails don't they? I can't remember off the top of my head. It could also spawn some interesting rituals when they are immersed a second time - "As you were born, so now are you reborn", that sort of stuff.

As for what it is, there is speculation within the chapter, though in my head there are only sketched out ideas as to what this speculation is.

One is that the Knights have their own legends concerning the Grail Warden grail, and believe it to be Sanguinius' blood from a special event (the battle aboard the Vengeful Spirit? They believe that the Font is a remenant of that blood or something... I know that that idea's fairly weak, but I think there's a solution within it. After all, the reason the Knights stayed on Avalon at all was that they thought the Font was holy and thus Avalon had been gifted to them by Sanguinius (who they revere to fanatical levels - you'll have to wait for the IA for the full scoop on that ).

I like the idea that it may be something darker... "However, some whispers claim that the Font is not all that the Knight believe it to be...

Thoughts?

blood angel noviates are told to drink from a grail containing the blood of sangiunius laced with a few other things. they are then placed into golden sarcophagi until either they die or are reborn as SPEHSS MEHREHENS

[Sir Perfluous]

The new idea that I have in the IA - that was mentioned before, I think, is the Font of Blood - it's essentially a big, stone bath full of holy blood. Instead of drinking from it, the afflicted marine is immersed in it (though it was partly smashed up by a chapter master a while ago). I have no idea where the blood in it came from, so for the minute, nor does the chapter. I don't know whether to leave it deliberately ambiguous or not.

I hadn't seen the name (I like it) and I think it was mentioned in the Grail Wardens thread. have you thought about the Font being used to create new marines too ? Like, one dip turns you into a space marine, two dips heals you but turns you mad, and three dips... well no one has ever had three dips...

I'd be n favour of it staying ambiguous, but I could understand others saying they don't like that. It is however important still to give some theories about it, to show that you've thought it through, and so that people really understand there is a possibility that it is something darker, and not just a blank page syndrome.

Having a dip to make you into a space marine... I hadn't considered that, actually. The Blood Angels have something similar with their grails don't they? I can't remember off the top of my head. It could also spawn some interesting rituals when they are immersed a second time - "As you were born, so now are you reborn", that sort of stuff.

As for what it is, there is speculation within the chapter, though in my head there are only sketched out ideas as to what this speculation is.

One is that the Knights have their own legends concerning the Grail Warden grail, and believe it to be Sanguinius' blood from a special event (the battle aboard the Vengeful Spirit? They believe that the Font is a remenant of that blood or something... I know that that idea's fairly weak, but I think there's a solution within it. After all, the reason the Knights stayed on Avalon at all was that they thought the Font was holy and thus Avalon had been gifted to them by Sanguinius (who they revere to fanatical levels - you'll have to wait for the IA for the full scoop on that ).

I like the idea that it may be something darker... "However, some whispers claim that the Font is not all that the Knight believe it to be...

Thoughts?

blood angel noviates are told to drink from a grail containing the blood of sangiunius laced with a few other things. they are then placed into golden sarcophagi until either they die or are reborn as SPEHSS MEHREHENS

Perfect! Well mine are submerged inside a magical blood bath.

[Kelborn]

Will they just lay down and become bloody Space Marines or will they have to stay inside the font for an amount of time?

Is it just one font? If yes, it has to be a rather short time they have to spent inside of it. It would take a quite amount of time to transform about a squad of neophytes. If you would use several like the sarcophagi of the Blood Angels it could be more reasonable.

Or did I miss something?

The whole sarcophagi thing reminds me of Stargate. Does someone know those Goa'uld sarcophagi as well?

Wait a sec....that could be used on a BA warband... take a couple of Marines who have to use their sarcophagi to stay untouched by chaos...Have to think about it for our Grail Wardens project.