Malcador Tank

[Drunken Aussie]

Malcador Tank worth it or not 300pts for a battle cannon and demolisher cannon seems worth it to me.
But whats the point of it being fast isnt it redundant ona super heavy. \
Does anybody actually use them??

[Emperors Teeth]

Almost no-one uses them, unfortunately. I'd love to field a couple in my Iron Hands as a single LoW choice, but as with so many others there's always a better or more exciting choice.

I never really thought about the Fast type being a problem, but jumping back and forth in the rulebook, here's my thoughts:

***If you're just reading this thread for the first time, ignore this posts further down who got it right***

Combat Speed - Up to 6", can fire all weapons (super-heavy).
Cruising Speed - from 6"-12" can fire all weapons (super-heavy).
Flat Out - Move up to 12" (Fast vehicle) in the Shooting phase, cannot fire any weapons.

I thought there might be a rules clash between Super-heavy Shooting and moving Flat Out, but there isn't. Flat Out says you make the move instead of shooting and the Super-heavy Shooting rules say "when you make a shooting attack..." so no getting away with moving Flat Out and shooting!

Still, you can use that potential 24" move to shift down the flank of the enemy. It'd be a worrying surprise at least!

[Drunken Aussie]

The malcador specifically says under the battle speed rule that it can move flat out and still shoot it battle cannon or even shoot then flat out

[Slips]

While it looses the Fast rule, the Malcador Infernus with Chem Munitions is a relatively cheap way to access a Hellstorm Ap2 Flamer with Poisoned 2+ and Torrent.

[SkimaskMohawk]

But for that many points, why not take a typhon?

 

EDIT*: Just looked and you're paying a lot to make it even on par with a typhon; the demolisher and flare shields to make up for no AV 14 puts it at the same cost, anything more like armoured ceramite or pintle mounts or marine crew and it gets very questionable

[Slips]

In a Legion Army? Hell no.

But, for Solar Auxilia, where its a Heavy Support Choice...

And even with Chem Munitions, its still slightly Cheaper than a Typhon at 290pts.

[Lucien Eilam]

For a Super-Heavy, being Fast just allows it to move an additional 6" when going Flat Out.

 

Super-Heavy shooting is still ordinarily negated by going Flat Out. The Super-Heavy rule allows you to count as being stationary even if you moved in the Movement phase - Flat Out happens in the Shooting phase, replacing shooting.

 

The Battle Speed rule allows a Malcador to fire its battle cannon/TL-lascannon even when moving Flat Out.

 

So it can move up to 12" and fire everything, or up to 12" (Movement) + up to 12" (Shooting) and then fire its main gun. Good for getting a high Strength weapon down the flank, basically.

 

You can also shoot before going Flat Out, enabling pop-up attacks with a couple of hundred tons of super-heavy tank. Can't hit what they can't see.

[Reyner]

I want one in my Solar Auxilia army as they look ace, just wish the Macharius was a thing in the Heresy too :( (Well I could run it as a Baneblade or something)

[Dono1979]

The Malcador also has a small profile which makes it far easier to hide in cover and utilise the move-shoot-move tactic.

 

I find it far more rewarding to use this than the common Typhon crutch that so many people take by default

[SkimaskMohawk]

I mean, super heavies in general are

[Sircyn]

Page 31 of white dwarf 81. Codex Apocrypha extra: Name sakes.

 

States the Macharius was in use by the imperial army until the stc was lost for a few millennia. It was then reconstructed by someone from forge world Lucius who pieced together enough fragments to manufacture them again. Naming it after Macharius at that point. The original name remains lost and unknown.

 

So heresy your Macharius up without guilt!

[Hesh Kadesh]

In a Legion army, you'd struggle to field it. As a Heavy Supports choice, Flamer Malcadors are awesome, because you can never have enough AP2 ignores cover in 30K, epsecially when it's got Torrent 18" added on to it. Run it cheap as you can. Who cares about Pinning when you've just killed the Vexilla? 265pts for that and a pair of Hullpoint stripping autocannons are immense.

 

Competitively, I'd struggle to build a Solar Auxilia army without at least a pair of Infernus they are just that good. Your Tank killing power comes from Auxilia Rapiers with Graviton Cannon and Enginseers with Grenade Launcher Veterans mounted in Dracosans borrowed from the Tercio's. 

 

6 Rapiers brings down a Spartan each turn and you then just unload your 18" Torrents on anything you want.

[Noserenda]

Ive fielded a Pair of Astartes Malcadors a few times, they arent anywhere near as powerful as the all conquering Typhon but they are plenty fun :D

[depthcharge12]

In a Legion army, you'd struggle to field it. As a Heavy Supports choice, Flamer Malcadors are awesome, because you can never have enough AP2 ignores cover in 30K, epsecially when it's got Torrent 18" added on to it. Run it cheap as you can. Who cares about Pinning when you've just killed the Vexilla? 265pts for that and a pair of Hullpoint stripping autocannons are immense.

 

Competitively, I'd struggle to build a Solar Auxilia army without at least a pair of Infernus they are just that good. Your Tank killing power comes from Auxilia Rapiers with Graviton Cannon and Enginseers with Grenade Launcher Veterans mounted in Dracosans borrowed from the Tercio's.

 

6 Rapiers brings down a Spartan each turn and you then just unload your 18" Torrents on anything you want.

That sounds deliciously evil :devil:

 

I'd warrant that Malcadors are actually quite good in an auxilia list because that means you can have a solid vehicle to tank all your foe's AT shots while your more valuable Russes/Dracosans pile on the heat.

[coloroutofspace]

At one point I thought of using a pair of Malcadors with Outflank and Tank Crushers in an Iron Hands list. Could be fun, but for those points there's heavy competition from big super-heavies.