WIP Chapter (C&C Appreciated, Need a better Name)

[Olis]

i meant to say fangs on my marines... then it somehow got deleted. No i KNOW fangs on jellyfish is beyond silly 

 

Oh, whoops. :lol:

 

Yeah, fangs on your marines is plausible. It'll have to be a mutation, though.

 

this is the kind of quality CC i was looking for (DW Olis, your stuff is great too. just you always seem to do it in tiny increments)

 

Ah, well, I've found that doing comprehensively thorough (and long) responses tend to scare away Fraters. I try to do little bits at a time because it doesn't sound overbearing and I don't have to spend an entire afternoon on a single reply. :P

[Doctor Perils]

for now i will just say 4 suns because Australia is bloody hot and whats bloody hotter than 2 suns? 4 (im thinking 2 per planet ^~^)

Hum... Can't you then say that there are two binary systems ? still two suns per planet, and FAR more plausible. A binary system is already a rare occurrence, a quadrary (?) is just improbable and unconvincing...

Ah, well, I've found that doing comprehensively thorough (and long) responses tend to scare away Fraters. I try to do little bits at a time because it doesn't sound overbearing and I don't have to spend an entire afternoon on a single reply.

Hum... I'd never thought of it that way

EDIT: talking of edits, I get the impression that you do many double-posts EesiOh. It's not a problem for me, but lots of people consider it "bad manners". While using them to "up" topics (especially your own) after a certain amount of time is all right, it can be a bit bothersome when you post them within three minutes of each other. There is a little "EDIT" button at the bottom right hand corner of each of your posts, where the "QUOTE" and "MULTI-QUOTE" buttons usually are.

[EesiOh]

for now i will just say 4 suns because Australia is bloody hot and whats bloody hotter than 2 suns? 4 (im thinking 2 per planet ^~^)

Hum... Can't you then say that there are two binary systems ? still two suns per planet, and FAR more plausible. A binary system is already a rare occurrence, a quadrary (?) is just improbable and unconvincing...

Ah, well, I've found that doing comprehensively thorough (and long) responses tend to scare away Fraters. I try to do little bits at a time because it doesn't sound overbearing and I don't have to spend an entire afternoon on a single reply.

Hum... I'd never thought of it that way

EDIT: talking of edits, I get the impression that you do many double-posts EesiOh. It's not a problem for me, but lots of people consider it "bad manners". While using them to "up" topics (especially your own) after a certain amount of time is all right, it can be a bit bothersome when you post them within three minutes of each other. There is a little "EDIT" button at the bottom right hand corner of each of your posts, where the "QUOTE" and "MULTI-QUOTE" buttons usually are.

I'm mostly of the mentality that when something is done its done (recently was given a 60% on a very important subject and was given the offer to redo it, i chose not to) but I see your point. i will take note of this in the future. As for the suns yeah I rethought it and I am thinking maybe have 1 large sun with these two planets in a tighter orbit than ours

i meant to say fangs on my marines... then it somehow got deleted. No i KNOW fangs on jellyfish is beyond silly

Oh, whoops.

Yeah, fangs on your marines is plausible. It'll have to be a mutation, though.

this is the kind of quality CC i was looking for (DW Olis, your stuff is great too. just you always seem to do it in tiny increments)

Ah, well, I've found that doing comprehensively thorough (and long) responses tend to scare away Fraters. I try to do little bits at a time because it doesn't sound overbearing and I don't have to spend an entire afternoon on a single reply.

Both styles work and I appreciate both of your comments and contributions

As for death vipers it does SOUND scarier BUT google the death adder and tell me you're not a little bit scared

-edit Olis you also talked about the wildlife and you're right 2 is stupid and arbitrary so i'm thinking 1 as a recruit and all 5 to progress from scout to battle brother. (which was my original plan give or take a head... hehe) how do you feel abut that?

[Olis]

-edit Olis you also talked about the wildlife and you're right 2 is stupid and arbitrary so i'm thinking 1 as a recruit and all 5 to progress from scout to battle brother. (which was my original plan give or take a head... hehe) how do you feel abut that? 

 

That wasn't me. That was Thorn. :)

[EesiOh]

-edit Olis you also talked about the wildlife and you're right 2 is stupid and arbitrary so i'm thinking 1 as a recruit and all 5 to progress from scout to battle brother. (which was my original plan give or take a head... hehe) how do you feel abut that?

That wasn't me. That was Thorn.

welp... i am a terrible person. And on that bombshell. Goodnight

[Olis]

Don't worry about it. ^_^

[EesiOh]

Edited Geenseed and recruitment, on another note who should they be descended from? 

[Doctor Perils]

To be honest, it doesn't really matter who you choose as ancestors, as long as it's not Space Wolves or a traitor Legion. The important part is to give your chapter the flavour you want, without relying on your ancestors to give that flavour for you.

 

Here, you seem to have got that across already, so that's a good thing.

 

If I were writing this, instinctively I'd say this chapter was suited to be Raven Guard successors, because you'd easily be able to get the sort of stealthy aspect across, but as I said (or meant) earlier, there isn't one obligatory primogenitor. You could just as easily have a chapter descended from the Ultramarines.

If I were you though, I'd steer away from the Blood Angels (1.They don't really fit with the fluff you're creating, and you've already got enough to worry about with the fang mutations not to have the Flaw to worry about 2. because you already have a BA successor), from the Dark Angels (it would be difficult to fit the hunt for the Fallen in here), and the Imperial Fists (above all because they can't create the Betcher's Gland, let alone have a mutated one)

 

Also, don't forget to have a look at second founding chapters (or later): you could just as easily run with the Raptors or the Lion Warriors/Desert Lions...

[Arkangilos]

I have to disagree with Thorn on the naming thing. (Contrary to what he said about the America thing, that is actually still a debate, and not set in stone). You can totally use first names to name it. Whoever finds something and wants to name it can choose what it's name will be. 

 

The genetic tampering can come down to the founding. If They are 21st founding, you can most definitely have genetic tampering. 

 

Four stars is fine. Something you might consider is actually having the planet (at some point) between all four stars. Maybe that's a reason it is a death world? Heck, there can be a whole ritual dedicated to "surviving it."

 

Also, founding chapter does *not* determine the tactics. You can be an ultramarine chapter that is stealthy. It all depends on personal history of the chapter. The recruits might have to be sneaky in order to survive. Or something like that. 

 

Also keep in mind, almost all chapters have their own forges with which to create their weapons of war. Chapters craft their own equipment, their own weapons, their own armor. It's only the super complicated stuff they cannot make themselves. 

 

If they have the manpower and the forges, they can use the labor to make anything they need. But keep in mind, if the Imperium at Large determines that they are making more than they should, it could spell disaster! 

 

Lord Thorn most definitely right about the chapter selection, though (with the exception of the Raven Guard). Another problem with Dark Angels is that their geneseed is very, very pure. As for the Ravenguard, I wouldn't recommend them because their geneseed is so destabilized that even their successors have problems with it. UNLESS they were tampered with during the cursed founding. It could be that the genetic tampering cured the instability of the geneseed as known to the Raven Guard, but created additional mutations (such as the venom fangs). You could even say that the genetic tampering was caused to fix the Beltcher Glan Mutation that the Imp Fists have. It made it work, but not how they wanted.

 

 Causing them to be the only naturally black humans that exist within (imperial knowledge) 

 

Say what? I don't get this at all. Within what? The Imperium? Where are your sources for that? I would seriously make this go away. 

[Lord-Captain Cepinari]

 

Causing them to be the only naturally black humans that exist within (imperial knowledge)

 

Say what? I don't get this at all. Within what? The Imperium? Where are your sources for that? I would seriously make this go away.

The only time someone naturally dark-skinned has been seen in 40k has been in video games. There's has never been a confirmed sighting of such a person in anything actually produced by Games Workshop.

 

The Salamanders don't count because their skin is coal black and canonically stated to be a result of a mutation in their Gene-Seed.

[Arkangilos]

 

 

Causing them to be the only naturally black humans that exist within (imperial knowledge)

Say what? I don't get this at all. Within what? The Imperium? Where are your sources for that? I would seriously make this go away.

The only time someone naturally dark-skinned has been seen in 40k has been in video games. There's has never been a confirmed sighting of such a person in anything actually produced by Games Workshop.

 

The Salamanders don't count because their skin is coal black and canonically stated to be a result of a mutation in their Gene-Seed.

 

Oh really? There is official art that shows them:

(Look at the Catachan art) 

 

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QEJYjCmK2iM/UyTzG4JbUEI/AAAAAAAAAeo/XbRwx7RZCzU/s1600/Codex_Imperial_Guard_Catachans_2000.jpg

 

 

So that statement is completely false. There are more pictures, by the way. 

[Lord-Captain Cepinari]

 

 

 

Causing them to be the only naturally black humans that exist within (imperial knowledge)

 

Say what? I don't get this at all. Within what? The Imperium? Where are your sources for that? I would seriously make this go away.

The only time someone naturally dark-skinned has been seen in 40k has been in video games. There's has never been a confirmed sighting of such a person in anything actually produced by Games Workshop.

The Salamanders don't count because their skin is coal black and canonically stated to be a result of a mutation in their Gene-Seed.

Oh really? There is official art that shows them:

(Look at the Catachan art) 

 

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QEJYjCmK2iM/UyTzG4JbUEI/AAAAAAAAAeo/XbRwx7RZCzU/s1600/Codex_Imperial_Guard_Catachans_2000.jpg

 

 

So that statement is completely false. There are more pictures, by the way.

Congratulations, you managed to find the one black guy in a sea of white guys, thus disproving the notion that Games Workshop doesn't know how to ethnic diversity.

[Arkangilos]

 

 

 

 

Causing them to be the only naturally black humans that exist within (imperial knowledge)

Say what? I don't get this at all. Within what? The Imperium? Where are your sources for that? I would seriously make this go away.

The only time someone naturally dark-skinned has been seen in 40k has been in video games. There's has never been a confirmed sighting of such a person in anything actually produced by Games Workshop.

The Salamanders don't count because their skin is coal black and canonically stated to be a result of a mutation in their Gene-Seed.

Oh really? There is official art that shows them:

(Look at the Catachan art) 

 

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QEJYjCmK2iM/UyTzG4JbUEI/AAAAAAAAAeo/XbRwx7RZCzU/s1600/Codex_Imperial_Guard_Catachans_2000.jpg

 

 

So that statement is completely false. There are more pictures, by the way.

Congratulations, you managed to find the one black guy in a sea of white guys, thus disproving the notion that Games Workshop doesn't know how to ethnic diversity.

 

Actually, two out of five.

 

Here, just read this thread. Then you can play through that argument as much as you want.

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226377-why-are-there-no-black-people-in-40k/

 

Anyways, my main point is that the statement "there aren't black people in 40k's official fluff" is flat out wrong. It should not have even come up as part of anything in any DiY. You said it was never represented, but I proved you wrong that officially, there are. There are more pictures than that. Get over yourself. People paint the colors they want to paint. If you have a problem with that, then you can paint it yourself.

 

The thing is, GW does show people of other ethnic backgrounds. 

[Doctor Perils]

I have to disagree with Thorn on the naming thing. (Contrary to what he said about the America thing, that is actually still a debate, and not set in stone). You can totally use first names to name it. Whoever finds something and wants to name it can choose what it's name will be.

The genetic tampering can come down to the founding. If They are 21st founding, you can most definitely have genetic tampering.

Four stars is fine. Something you might consider is actually having the planet (at some point) between all four stars. Maybe that's a reason it is a death world? Heck, there can be a whole ritual dedicated to "surviving it."

Also, founding chapter does *not* determine the tactics. You can be an ultramarine chapter that is stealthy. It all depends on personal history of the chapter. The recruits might have to be sneaky in order to survive. Or something like that.

Also keep in mind, almost all chapters have their own forges with which to create their weapons of war. Chapters craft their own equipment, their own weapons, their own armor. It's only the super complicated stuff they cannot make themselves.

If they have the manpower and the forges, they can use the labor to make anything they need. But keep in mind, if the Imperium at Large determines that they are making more than they should, it could spell disaster!

Lord Thorn most definitely right about the chapter selection, though (with the exception of the Raven Guard). Another problem with Dark Angels is that their geneseed is very, very pure. As for the Ravenguard, I wouldn't recommend them because their geneseed is so destabilized that even their successors have problems with it. UNLESS they were tampered with during the cursed founding. It could be that the genetic tampering cured the instability of the geneseed as known to the Raven Guard, but created additional mutations (such as the venom fangs). You could even say that the genetic tampering was caused to fix the Beltcher Glan Mutation that the Imp Fists have. It made it work, but not how they wanted.

Causing them to be the only naturally black humans that exist within (imperial knowledge)

Say what? I don't get this at all. Within what? The Imperium? Where are your sources for that? I would seriously make this go away.

Meh, I must have read the wrong sources for the americas. I'm still not keen on giving a first name to something, especially a planet, it just seems weird to me; but of course, this is your fluff.

As Arkangilos says, the genetic tampering or not really depends on them being cursed founding or not. I was not aware that the Raven Guard gene-seed was so degraded, so I'll echo his apprehensions about using their genes. I'll probably also add that it isn't necessarily a good idea to use Salamander gene-seed, because in the fluff there aren't "officially" any Salamander descendents (even though there are some chapters like the Black Dragons, Storm GIants and Dragon Lords that seem that way).

If you want to go 21st founding then you can claim gene-tampering, and/or Imperial Fist or Raven Guard geneseed. However, it is easy to fall into many traps when creating a cursed founding chapter (throne knows I've fallen into many over the years!). Really, the safest and easiest path is probably to take Ultramarine gene-seed: these make up probably 70% of all chapters (that may be an exaggeration), and they have successors that have used all the kinds of specialisations you could think of (I mean, they even had a chapter specialised in destroyer squads )

For that "Quasi-Forge-World", I think you can simply call it a Chapter Forge and it should work.

NB: thank you Arkangilos for agreeing about the fact that saying there aren't any black people in the Imperium is a bit silly. Plus, it really adds nothing to the IA, apart from saying "Hey, I'm special!"

[Atia]

there are a lot of "black ppl" in the fluff ... read "A Thousand Sons" or "Horus Rising" ...

 

also, GW has 0 issues with them, they even painted a lot of their recent AoS Khorne bloodreavers black (and they look awesome btw)

[EesiOh]

there are a lot of "black ppl" in the fluff ... read "A Thousand Sons" or "Horus Rising" ...

also, GW has 0 issues with them, they even painted a lot of their recent AoS Khorne bloodreavers black (and they look awesome btw)

I have to disagree with Thorn on the naming thing. (Contrary to what he said about the America thing, that is actually still a debate, and not set in stone). You can totally use first names to name it. Whoever finds something and wants to name it can choose what it's name will be.

The genetic tampering can come down to the founding. If They are 21st founding, you can most definitely have genetic tampering.

Four stars is fine. Something you might consider is actually having the planet (at some point) between all four stars. Maybe that's a reason it is a death world? Heck, there can be a whole ritual dedicated to "surviving it."

Also, founding chapter does *not* determine the tactics. You can be an ultramarine chapter that is stealthy. It all depends on personal history of the chapter. The recruits might have to be sneaky in order to survive. Or something like that.

Also keep in mind, almost all chapters have their own forges with which to create their weapons of war. Chapters craft their own equipment, their own weapons, their own armor. It's only the super complicated stuff they cannot make themselves.

If they have the manpower and the forges, they can use the labor to make anything they need. But keep in mind, if the Imperium at Large determines that they are making more than they should, it could spell disaster!

Lord Thorn most definitely right about the chapter selection, though (with the exception of the Raven Guard). Another problem with Dark Angels is that their geneseed is very, very pure. As for the Ravenguard, I wouldn't recommend them because their geneseed is so destabilized that even their successors have problems with it. UNLESS they were tampered with during the cursed founding. It could be that the genetic tampering cured the instability of the geneseed as known to the Raven Guard, but created additional mutations (such as the venom fangs). You could even say that the genetic tampering was caused to fix the Beltcher Glan Mutation that the Imp Fists have. It made it work, but not how they wanted.

Causing them to be the only naturally black humans that exist within (imperial knowledge)

Say what? I don't get this at all. Within what? The Imperium? Where are your sources for that? I would seriously make this go away.

Meh, I must have read the wrong sources for the americas. I'm still not keen on giving a first name to something, especially a planet, it just seems weird to me; but of course, this is your fluff.

As Arkangilos says, the genetic tampering or not really depends on them being cursed founding or not. I was not aware that the Raven Guard gene-seed was so degraded, so I'll echo his apprehensions about using their genes. I'll probably also add that it isn't necessarily a good idea to use Salamander gene-seed, because in the fluff there aren't "officially" any Salamander descendents (even though there are some chapters like the Black Dragons, Storm GIants and Dragon Lords that seem that way).

If you want to go 21st founding then you can claim gene-tampering, and/or Imperial Fist or Raven Guard geneseed. However, it is easy to fall into many traps when creating a cursed founding chapter (throne knows I've fallen into many over the years!). Really, the safest and easiest path is probably to take Ultramarine gene-seed: these make up probably 70% of all chapters (that may be an exaggeration), and they have successors that have used all the kinds of specialisations you could think of (I mean, they even had a chapter specialised in destroyer squads )

For that "Quasi-Forge-World", I think you can simply call it a Chapter Forge and it should work.

NB: thank you Arkangilos for agreeing about the fact that saying there aren't any black people in the Imperium is a bit silly. Plus, it really adds nothing to the IA, apart from saying "Hey, I'm special!"

Causing them to be the only naturally black humans that exist within (imperial knowledge)

Say what? I don't get this at all. Within what? The Imperium? Where are your sources for that? I would seriously make this go away.

The only time someone naturally dark-skinned has been seen in 40k has been in video games. There's has never been a confirmed sighting of such a person in anything actually produced by Games Workshop.

The Salamanders don't count because their skin is coal black and canonically stated to be a result of a mutation in their Gene-Seed.

Oh really? There is official art that shows them:

(Look at the Catachan art)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QEJYjCmK2iM/UyTzG4JbUEI/AAAAAAAAAeo/XbRwx7RZCzU/s1600/Codex_Imperial_Guard_Catachans_2000.jpg

So that statement is completely false. There are more pictures, by the way.

Congratulations, you managed to find the one black guy in a sea of white guys, thus disproving the notion that Games Workshop doesn't know how to ethnic diversity.

Actually, two out of five.

Here, just read this thread. Then you can play through that argument as much as you want.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/226377-why-are-there-no-black-people-in-40k/

Anyways, my main point is that the statement "there aren't black people in 40k's official fluff" is flat out wrong. It should not have even come up as part of anything in any DiY. You said it was never represented, but I proved you wrong that officially, there are. There are more pictures than that. Get over yourself. People paint the colors they want to paint. If you have a problem with that, then you can paint it yourself.

The thing is, GW does show people of other ethnic backgrounds.

well this thread got toxic very quickly, Jesus Christ. I read somewhere in some official GW stuff that slamanders were the only black people though they are not NATURALLY black. This was a couple of years ago, and I havent paid much attention to that particular part of the fluff since then so forgive me for getting that wrong. If this is now retconned/no longer true then I am perfectly happy to change it to state that they arent. I also feel like maybe you guys should kiss and make up or something because that was a pretty intense argument by BandC standards...

[Arkangilos]

It was never true. They had artwork and models dating back to third edition.

[Arkangilos]

By the way, salamanders are naturally black. Skin pigment is based on radiation levels. It changes on a genetic level by generations of a certain amount of radition. It's the same thing with the sallies

[Olis]

Enough. This is as far as the skin colour debate goes - the last time we had one of those, things got out of hand. Any more on the subject and the entire exchange is going to be chucked in a hole and left there. EesiOh can make his own decision on the matter and we can offer advice without getting sarky with one another. 

[Arkangilos]

Sorry, didn't mean to come off snarky or anything like that.

[Arkangilos]

As for a name, what about Death Snakes? Each company can have their own snake image or something.

 

You have the first company, the "Adders"

The second company, the "Cobras" etc

 

They can have tattoos to fit or something.

[Lord-Captain Cepinari]

Tiger Snakes?

[Arkangilos]

Does it have to be snakes? You can call them something with Carukia or the Irukandji (which fits the fearsome floating jellyfish)

[Lord-Captain Cepinari]

Does it have to be snakes? You can call them something with Carukia or the Irukandji (which fits the fearsome floating jellyfish)

Jellyfish may be dangerous, but they aren't very intimidating.