Frater Cornelius Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I recently (re)read a quote of Stern about faith. This got me thinking. Over the time, I encountered a few of those. GK are unmistakably religious to me. However, how did they up like that? They are also insignificantly younger than the Legions. If you look at the SM today, they are almost the same they have been back then. They never looked at the Emperor as a god, mainly because they have been told not do it. But what about GK? Were they influenced by the Imperial Cult? Were they created with faith in mind? Or is it because they are the most enlightened chapter out there and thus see things for what they are and hence arrived at their faith? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313971-grey-knight-beliefs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik the blessed Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Faith on GKs remains in their personal will and the strength to overpass chaos temptation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313971-grey-knight-beliefs/#findComment-4177405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 GK are Thousand Sons raised by Word Bearers, in isolation for 1,000 years that occured in the blick of an eye. The only real questions are why are they a 1,000 man codex chapter, and where is all their legion gear? SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313971-grey-knight-beliefs/#findComment-4177432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Chillin' in the Armoury with all their Storm Shields, Melta and Plasma Weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313971-grey-knight-beliefs/#findComment-4177440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Because Ward had to make us aspire to Ultramarines? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313971-grey-knight-beliefs/#findComment-4177525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Not sure how it answers the question though :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313971-grey-knight-beliefs/#findComment-4177567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 To restate, in case I waxed to poetically in my previous post, Grey Knights were founded by The Sigilite with selected novice Psykers, pure/divine Geneseed, and an armory of the best weaponry available at the time, shich was during the Heresy. Those novice Psykers were trained by loyalist Legionaires from the traitor Legions, who were all firm believers in the Imperial Truth. The Librarius they were trained was implemented by Magnus, their spiritual doctrines were written by Lorgar, their traditions were inspired by Mortarion, their tactics resemble the Night Lords, their dedication matchs that of Angron. Grey Knights are the Last Legion, the first Chapter of the Second Founding. They had a thousand year history when the First Founding Legions were still less than 400 years old, due to The Sigilite's use of planet size Geller Fields and near God-like sorcery. From this we get a Legion of stable Thousand Son Marines with a thousand year tradition founded by Lorgar. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313971-grey-knight-beliefs/#findComment-4177654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Faith isn't synonymous with religion. Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting solely and implicitly on his authority and veracity; reliance on testimony. The assent of the mind to the statement or proposition of another, on the ground of the manifest truth of what he utters; firm and earnest belief, on probable evidence of any kind, especially in regard to important moral truth. (Judeo-Christian Theol.)a. The belief in the historic truthfulness of the Scripture narrative, and the supernatural origin of its teachings, sometimes called historical and speculative faith.b. (Christian Theol.) The belief in the facts and truth of the Scriptures, with a practical love of them; especially, that confiding and affectionate belief in the person and work of Christ, which affects the character and life, and makes a man a true Christian, – called a practical, evangelical, or saving faith. Fidelity to one’s promises, or allegiance to duty, or to a person honored and beloved; loyalty. Word or honor pledged; promise given; fidelity; as, he violated his faith. Credibility or truth. In The Emperor's Gift, Hyperion considers belief in the God-Emperor a delusion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313971-grey-knight-beliefs/#findComment-4177664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Faith isn't synonymous with religion. Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting solely and implicitly on his authority and veracity; reliance on testimony. The assent of the mind to the statement or proposition of another, on the ground of the manifest truth of what he utters; firm and earnest belief, on probable evidence of any kind, especially in regard to important moral truth. (Judeo-Christian Theol.)a. The belief in the historic truthfulness of the Scripture narrative, and the supernatural origin of its teachings, sometimes called historical and speculative faith. b. (Christian Theol.) The belief in the facts and truth of the Scriptures, with a practical love of them; especially, that confiding and affectionate belief in the person and work of Christ, which affects the character and life, and makes a man a true Christian, – called a practical, evangelical, or saving faith. Fidelity to one’s promises, or allegiance to duty, or to a person honored and beloved; loyalty. Word or honor pledged; promise given; fidelity; as, he violated his faith. Credibility or truth. In The Emperor's Gift, Hyperion considers belief in the God-Emperor a delusion. And yet, the 'modern' GK say things that could come straight out of a 40k bible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313971-grey-knight-beliefs/#findComment-4177689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Didn't the Legions at the time not follow the belief of the Emperor as a God? Where some must have met/fought beside him? Those loyalists of the Traitor Legions surely instilled that into the fledgling GKs. That the Emperor wasn't a God. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313971-grey-knight-beliefs/#findComment-4177756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Faith isn't synonymous with religion. Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting solely and implicitly on his authority and veracity; reliance on testimony. The assent of the mind to the statement or proposition of another, on the ground of the manifest truth of what he utters; firm and earnest belief, on probable evidence of any kind, especially in regard to important moral truth. (Judeo-Christian Theol.)a. The belief in the historic truthfulness of the Scripture narrative, and the supernatural origin of its teachings, sometimes called historical and speculative faith. b. (Christian Theol.) The belief in the facts and truth of the Scriptures, with a practical love of them; especially, that confiding and affectionate belief in the person and work of Christ, which affects the character and life, and makes a man a true Christian, – called a practical, evangelical, or saving faith. Fidelity to one’s promises, or allegiance to duty, or to a person honored and beloved; loyalty. Word or honor pledged; promise given; fidelity; as, he violated his faith. Credibility or truth. In The Emperor's Gift, Hyperion considers belief in the God-Emperor a delusion. And yet, the 'modern' GK say things that could come straight out of a 40k bible. Have you a copy of a "40k bible". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313971-grey-knight-beliefs/#findComment-4177779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Like all Space Marines, Grey Knights venerate the Emperor as the saviour of mankind and the greatest man to ever live. They most certainly do not consider him a God. In fact, their entire purpose revolves around denying the False Gods of the warp dominion over humanity. In terms of faith, Grey Knights undergo indoctrination and psycho-implantation. Their past is erased, along with their true name. They are taught to trust and believe in each other and the Emperor's vision. That said, their faith is tempered by ruthless pragmatism. That's why for example, Grey Knights have done deals with xenos factions before. Their fight is so critical, the blind prejudice that say a normal Marine feels can be put aside if need be. By the same token, Grey Knights will die before falling, because their belief in their purpose and their brothers gives them a mental strength not even normal Marines can muster (outsids of a few exceptional individuals). Like a lot of things in 40k, faith is very much a matter of perspective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313971-grey-knight-beliefs/#findComment-4177839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Good explanation. Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313971-grey-knight-beliefs/#findComment-4177985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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