DuskRaider Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I love the vast majority of BL 40K offerings, providing it doesn't take the Mary Sue approach. The codex lore I refuse to lump into BL, because it's not even close... except for maybe Goto. The actual gaming system for 40K has become very childish, however. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4183783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 For me, 30k has taken over all my hobby time. This is mostly due awesome group projects, me slowly training myself to sculpt, and 30k just offers me more freedom in what I can sculpt. More unexplained files and stories, more places to let my imagination run crazy. Dont get me wrong, I LOVE 40k, the AWESOOOOME universe, the cool books and the great characters. I do think GW has kinda destroyed the gaming though, too much D weapons thrown around, too much weirdo FoC stuff... Thats why I like 30k more, its just simple and not unbalanced. I think with a good overhaul, GW could tottaly fix 40k, and I look forward to them doing that. In the mean time, I will just pick up my sculpting tools again and keep on designing this primarch ^^ *melts back into the darkness* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4183848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I've sold every piece of 40k that I own other than my 40k FW world eaters.... Every cent went to 30k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4183886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlson793 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Only reason I'm still building a 40K force is the folks at the shop I play at aren't familiar with the 30K specific rules. I need to start remedying that gap in their awareness - I could really stand to introduce them to the finer aspects of CHOOM!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4184179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zujara Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Takes up most my time now.. I started 30k to play with some friends who started it, I like the Word Bearers and figured I would do a small army of them and fill the rest with Daemons. Now sitting at over 5k of just Word Bearers, and have a small Raven Guard army. I still work on my marines for 40k, but about 90% of my hobby time is spent on 30k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4184185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 For me I just got bored of playing grey knights and imperial guard after like ten years, the demise of WFB assured that I wouldn't start any new armies so yeah you could say that 30k has eaten away my 40k. I'm still into mordheim and historicals tough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4184478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Bsides it's a little unvelieable and annoying that the imperium has been dying during 10k years and yet not having changed at all in the galaxy map. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4184485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 The changing of the names really did a number on me. I remember my first white dwarf when I saw the Imperial Guard and the old Griffon Mortar etc, now they are called Astra Militarum and their aesthetic has changed and they don't look gritty any more. The new units for most of the armies just strayed so far away from the gritty image of 40k, I mean even the Ogryns have fancy ornate armour now. Space marines in Space marines who then suddenly get inserted into stories that previously had no mention of them. Space Wolves actually riding wolves was another facepalm moment for me. I think 30k just takes a step back and goes back to the roots of 40k that I loved as a child. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4184605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karthak Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 However, during the Eye of Terror campaign Chaos made major gains on Cadia, took most of it and was only hindered by its minor victories in the void which gave the Imperials room to reinforce Cadia with more ships. Eldrad, greatest farseer of his race was dead along with his warlock bodyguard, their souls sucked into Slaanesh's maw on a mission that had failed before it began. It was a major victory for chaos. That was way back in 3rd edition. Interesting how one event can produce such diametrically different opinions (on the success of Chaos in the 13th Black Crusade). Came across this recently, and I pretty much agree with all of it: Question: "What happened during the Eye of Terror campaign?" Answer: "Short version? Chaos had a clear and unambiguously defined victory condition: take Cadia, break the Cadian Gate, and flood out into the Imperium in preparation for a drive on Terra. Various subplots and subgoals were associated with specific factions throughout the campaign. Ahriman was trying to break into the Black Library, the orks were trying to seize a few forge worlds to loot the guns, the Tau were trying for a third phase expansion, Necrons and Tyranids were just trying to kill/eat everything as per normal (convenient to have two races that don't need motivations), and so on. The various Imperial factions were all trying to defend the Cadian Gate, and the eldar had decided behind the scenes that they needed to make sure the Imperium won. As far as results go... Chaos had a very good initial push, as they were more organised out of the gate. That faded later on, though, as the Imperial players organised, and the tide was definitely turning towards the Imperium when GW declared the campaign over. Other factions did moderately all right but nothing to write home about, save for the eldar, who were the stand-out success of the campaign. The eldar won a series of decisive and unprecedented victories: Ahriman's plan was crushed, and eldar players actually organised to report enough wins on planets inside the Eye of Terror that GW interpreted it as eldar strike forces penetrating the Eye of Terror, raiding Crone Worlds, and even creating several enclaves of realspace on those worlds within the Eye. Meanwhile, the other important thing to note is that the Imperium absolutely dominated all of the space lanes. The BFG games associated with the campaign proved one-sided. The Imperial Navy crushed the Traitor Fleets and retained near-uncontested domination of space. Now, towards the end of the campaign, what ended up happening was that the Imperial players took control of space and focused their efforts on maintaining the key worlds. So more-or-less all the big, heavily populated worlds were held pretty decisively: hive worlds, fortress worlds, and so on. The Chaos strategy towards the end was to take as many of the small targets as possible. The Chaos hope was that the bigger targets would then wither on the vine, while the Imperial plan was to use their unassailable fortress-worlds as bases from which to retake all of the others. GW ended up declaring it a marginal victory for Chaos, even though Chaos had unambiguously failed to achieve their primary objective: Cadia stood and the Gate remained blocked. But that's fine. Maybe the attack-the-small-worlds strategy paid off, and I can understand GW ignoring Imperial control of space. That should realistically sink all Chaos hopes, of course. If the Imperium has strategic mobility and the orbital high ground and Chaos does not, then Chaos cannot maintain any sort of conventional military offensive. But I can see why Chaos would not want the games played by the relatively small BFG player base to override the games played by the much larger 40k player base. No, the really disgraceful thing was the way the ending treated the eldar. The eldar's only appearance in the ending fiction was with Eldrad Ulthran leading a strike force on to the Blackstone Fortresses, in order to recapture them. After all, depending on which canon you read the eldar either made the Blackstones or were affiliated with whoever made the Blackstones (i.e. Vaul). The eldar fought their way to the control centre and took over a Blackstone, but when Eldrad tried to interface with its control circuit, he discovered that it was corrupted by Slaanesh, his soul was sucked out, and he died then and there. The eldar mission failed and Abaddon kept the Blackstones. Now, that is an absolutely deplorable way to treat the army that objectively was the most successful in the entire campaign. One of their landmark special characters was killed off, and they got nothing in compensation." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4184638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 What is your source Karthak? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4184674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Its just a summary he found online, I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4184678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karthak Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Its just a summary he found online, I think. From a discussion on Spacebattles. I was unsure about the rules regarding links to other forums. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4184729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I'm just a disgruntled ex-CSM player living the 30k dream!So am I.I loved to play CSM but after a couple of years of suffering I had enough. Now I am happy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4184754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Its just a summary he found online, I think. From a discussion on Spacebattles. I was unsure about the rules regarding links to other forums. To my knowledge it is frowned upon. But I have the pdf. to the white dwarf which details how the Eye of Terror Campaign was concluded. It was a minor victory for chaos because the games were so close. Canada's event ended with a 102 v. 101 points in favor of chaos, that is how close this was. It appears to me, based upon the writing, that everyone participating in this event wanted it to be fun and narrative driven rather than a meta-gaming fiasco. Apparently it came out much better than expected and all parties performed well. I can provide a link if anyone would like. But it does a good job showing how things have changed in modern 40k and the old literary ideals that 30k has maintained. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4184895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I'm torn, I try as much as I can to make my armies compatible in either setting. My ravens are almost exclusively in MK6 armor My fists are in MK3-6 predominantly with only one squad of MK7.... And I have some teletubby grav centurions. But 90% of what I have can be used in either setting. Which is awesome for me because people to this day go "ERMAGERD FERGWERLD SOOO CHEEZZZYY" which is irritating when they are setting up their 3 wraith lords across the table from me... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4185136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Which is awesome for me because people to this day go "ERMAGERD FERGWERLD SOOO CHEEZZZYY" which is irritating when they are setting up their 3 wraith lords across the table from me... Ah, yes! That reminds me of another reason I prefer 30k: Phosphex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4185584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Burn 'em all, let their heathen gods sort them out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4185591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Burn 'em all, let their heathen gods sort them out. From a business standpoint - I like it. Easy, quick, reproducible results. A simple plan for a simple man. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4185615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephrael Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I've found myself focused entirely on 30K for the past couple of years. I enjoy the stories as well as the models themselves much more than the 40K setting lately. Every time I sit down and try to focus on some Marines Malevolent, Astral Claws or Dark Angels I find myself slowly pushing the bits to make more "modern" marines to the back of my desk and opening a bag of FW HH resin out in its place. Before I even realize it I have a 5 man HH tactical squad taking shape almost as if the resin has s mind of its own. I've given up on trying to force myself to work on projects my heart just isn't into. Now I just spread out the Heresy bits and let them guide my hands and thoughts into building more and more Horus Heresy marines. It just seems ultimately futile to try and fight it and I enjoy my hobby time even more now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4185738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggtand Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 For me 30K brought me back to the hobby again. I started playing Rogue Trader -88 and fell in love with the wierd crazy universe that just sucked you in with the wounderful humor. Since then the fluff, models and game just have been more and more streamlined and cartony. The worst part is that the black humor has gone away to be replaced with herohammer in a big way. Now 10 marines fights half the universe and dont breake a sweat when 10 marines in RT was an elite unit for supporting the army to take out an command post. Yes I am old and bitter I quit the hobby almost 10 years ago but for the last thread. I was still enjoying the HH series and the fluff around it since it still had the RT feeling i love, and when FW started to krank out HH miniatures I was hooked again. FW and BL have found a way to my heart and wallet that GW have failed with Now I slowly starting to piece together some wolves while waiting for their book..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4191795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I wouldn't say it absorbs my whole hobby - after all i still have plans for AoS and 40k Xenos - but it pretty much absorbs the Space Marine part of my hobby^^ while it would be cool to have armies of each Badab War chapter f.e., it's still cooler to have an army of each Legion :P so no 40k Marines 'till i've finished my 30k armies ...^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4191813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I got my 40k Space Wolves to something like 10 thousand points I built and painted 6 imperial Knights I started building some black Templar's and my roomate got me book 3 so I just started picking up things I could use in both All of a sudden im building Scouring Era Imperial Fists ( the zealous ones who will become the black Templars ) and building up my Templar army as well. And you know what, that makes me happy , I enjoy what im doing , my hobby is richer for it.I love the 30k Fluff I enjoy the 40k Fluff I dont feel like one has to exclusively consume yer time and resources over the other. I do find it amusing how on either side there are people who just HATE the other way to play the game " Blah blah forgeworld is cheese " "blah blah blah 40k is dumb cause I can do X or Y " In a hobby where were already niche and under pressure from games with tighter rules / softer buy ins Its just insane to me that theres so much discord between communities Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4191909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I split the two. Got a small Tau army that was put away when the HH stuff came out. I was hooked until the Daemonkin came out and then I was all over that. Now I'm (hopefully) coming to the end of that (painting the rest during the call), I'm back planning my War Hounds (for the third time). But the FW Horus heresy just doesn't fit with my 40k view of the heresy. I don't get the tragedy. Things were :cuss before, what's the big difference? I just don't feel it anymore. I mean the War Hounds would massacre everyone long before they met Angron. There is no feel of a golden age other than militarily they were more powerful. So I split them. 40k is the universe where the Emperor was on the verge of unifying the humanity of the galaxy and removing the threat of chaos (means are irrelevant), who was cast down by his corrupted favoured son and now is trapped endlessly on the throne as he sees/feels the Imperium he crafted slowly corrupt and collapse. This is more based on the Realms of Chaos stuff rather than anything else. 30k is where the Emeperor is a brutal warlord, who was able to unit terra and forge on. His tools turned on him and civil war erupted. There is no benevolence there, just power and authority. He wasn't born in 8000BC, he doesn't have access to untainted warp energy. He isn't the savour of mankind. He's just a badass with brains (and a shed load of psykic juju). I can't merge them in a way that is satisfying so I don't. Just like I just ignore any fluff (40k or 30k) that doesn't fit my imaginings. My universes only exist in my head after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4191947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 It not that I 'hate' 40k at all, it's just gone a bit unbalanced and side tracked since 6th/7th ed craziness. I mean I have 40k armies, but frankly all this over the top formations and strength d everywhere just isn't fun, and there isn't a general skill in it like there used to be. Seems to be luck of the dice if you opponents eldar scatters his d templates away. It then becomes about building cheesier lists and using the cheesy formations which gw pump out to sell models. In 30k it's like stepping back in time back to when 40k used to make a bit of sense, and taking that risk in a manouvre can pay off, and sometimes it doesn't! Not throwing templates about in a war of attrition until only so many remain to finish the enemy off. That's the gaming side. I have been in the hobby 25years, and there have been some copy and paste things come out (looking at you appalling 6th ed nid dex) which made me lose interest. I love the heresy books, it's a fresh look at things for me, and I remember the days when we used to talk about 'imagine playing a primarch..theyl never do that!' And now I'm older and have dosh to do it. I have nids and ba 8 k of both, and will decide soon whether to off them, to fund my heresy addiction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4192105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
disease Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 All my focus is on 30k. I'll return to 40k maybe in 8th edition when they sort out the balance /rules. For now, consider me part of the HH master race. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314190-anyone-else-find-30k-is-absorbing-the-rest-of-their-hobby/page/4/#findComment-4194356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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