Emperor's Furor Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I don't know if I'm right but I'm under the impression Dark Angels Battalions are called wings in the heresy era. So far I know of the Deathwing, the Ravenwing and the Dreadwing, do you think these are in fact unique names or perhaps there's a load of other wings that put something in front of wing like Stormwing etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Abnett mentions Hosts, Choirs, and Powers, IIRC in Unremembered Empire. That's directly from Angelic Hierarchy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4183141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Wasn't their mention somewhere of the legion originally operating as six wings, each specialized due to the 1st operating alone early in the crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4183147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 Abnett mentions Hosts, Choirs, and Powers, IIRC in Unremembered Empire. That's directly from Angelic Hierarchy. Where do wings sit within them then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4183151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I'm not sure. It's been a while since I read about it. I looked at using it for Blood Angels until UE came out, then gave up so I didn't cross swords with the DA. It sounds weird anyway when you try to use it as a military unit (9th Throne, 4th Power, 12th Choir). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4183160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 It seems to be part of the Legion's standard operating order. Gulliman notes that the I Legion are wrapped up in secret hierarchies of trust, impenetrable to those outside. In UE mention is made of the 6 "wings" of which we know at least two: Deathwing and Dreadwing. Then broken down further you have "orders" which might appear to be similar to a standard company but nothing is forthcoming on that score. Hopefully (see praying fervently) Dan does get around to writing Dreadwing at some point. The I Legion deserve a proper novel almost as much as the Blood Angels Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4183165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 It seems to be part of the Legion's standard operating order. Gulliman notes that the I Legion are wrapped up in secret hierarchies of trust, impenetrable to those outside. In UE mention is made of the 6 "wings" of which we know at least two: Deathwing and Dreadwing. Then broken down further you have "orders" which might appear to be similar to a standard company but nothing is forthcoming on that score. Hopefully (see praying fervently) Dan does get around to writing Dreadwing at some point. The I Legion deserve a proper novel almost as much as the Blood Angels don't forget the Ravenwing (and probably the Ironwing too!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4183176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Wasn't there a Stormwing mentioned in UE, or am I imagining it?  I thought they were deployed as breacher units on board the I Legion flagship in the book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4183230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Wasn't there a Stormwing mentioned in UE, or am I imagining it? Â I thought they were deployed as breacher units on board the I Legion flagship in the book? Breacher Assault Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4183235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I so hope the dark angels get background describing long horrible years of fighting all manner of unspeakable monsters on terra before the great crusade took off and before the other legions turned up, and that this is where the wings and secrecy originated from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4183840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I so hope the dark angels get background describing long horrible years of fighting all manner of unspeakable monsters on terra before the great crusade took off and before the other legions turned up, and that this is where the wings and secrecy originated from. They have that one campaign that they lose ~50,000 marines in due to a xeno threat that was going to obliterate everything, so you can expect that to be expounded upon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4183842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephrael Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Â I so hope the dark angels get background describing long horrible years of fighting all manner of unspeakable monsters on terra before the great crusade took off and before the other legions turned up, and that this is where the wings and secrecy originated from. They have that one campaign that they lose ~50,000 marines in due to a xeno threat that was going to obliterate everything, so you can expect that to be expounded upon. Could you cite a source for this campaign you mention? I don't recall ever reading about it and I would like to gather as much background material as I can before starting my own DA project full tilt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4184041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 ^ Is that one of the Rangdan xenocide campaigns/Rangdan breakout? Â IIRC, there is mention of it in the House Orhlacc section of HH IV: Conquest, although only small. There may be other small references to it throughout the other HH books from FW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4184047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Â Â I so hope the dark angels get background describing long horrible years of fighting all manner of unspeakable monsters on terra before the great crusade took off and before the other legions turned up, and that this is where the wings and secrecy originated from.They have that one campaign that they lose ~50,000 marines in due to a xeno threat that was going to obliterate everything, so you can expect that to be expounded upon.Could you cite a source for this campaign you mention? I don't recall ever reading about it and I would like to gather as much background material as I can before starting my own DA project full tilt. It's in book 5, I'll try and find the exact quote for you tonight if someone else doesn't post it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4184050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephrael Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Thank you Marshal Rohr, I appreciate it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4184068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 We have yet to see the most powerful of the wings yet. THE CHICKEN WING! So murderous that none survive to reveal their true name. Â That is the great shameful secret of the Dark Angels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4184137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I am having a hell of a time finding the exact quotes. Does anyone know where the story about the Dark Angels losing 50K legionaries fighting of a threat was in Tempest? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4184159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 We have yet to see the most powerful of the wings yet. THE CHICKEN WING! So murderous that none survive to reveal their true name. Â That is the great shameful secret of the Dark Angels. Heh that's my gig you're stealing! :P Â @Rohr It's in the UM lore section when it talks about legion disposition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4184169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 It sounds weird anyway when you try to use it as a military unit (9th Throne, 4th Power, 12th Choir). Â Eh, I like it, actually. Fits the idea of a military unit that integrated with an outside order/knightly house. A blending of the two ideals into an incredible melting pot of soldiery and chivalry that actually work together. It's one of the I Legions' coolest traits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4184173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 "Though not yet having reached the decisive numerical superiority of the other Legions, it would manifest by the time of the Horus Heresy, yet the Ultramarines of 899.M30 were perhaps on the cusp of becoming so, as their ranks, then at around approximately 166,000 Legionaries, stood them in the forefront of their peers. The Dark Angels, who in the previous decade to this had been undoubtedly the most powerful single Legion, had fallen in number and evened this figure, having suffered massive casualties holding the line during the famed Third Xenocide; the blood of 50,000 Space Marines spent in preventing the destruction of perhaps the entire northern Imperium by the menace from the outer darkness." - The Horus Heresy Book 5 - Tempest, p. 96 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4184250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Outer darkness? Â Tyranids? (Or maybe genestealers?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4184646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Outer darkness? Â Tyranids? (Or maybe genestealers?) hah, it would be awesome to get some genestealers (and zoats!) - that would give us Eldar of all kind, early Necrons, Orks and GC for HH games :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4184669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 As long as they name the mechanised assault wing the Blitzwing I'll be happy.​ Hehe​ that guy was awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4184796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I don't know if they're 'Nids or 'Stealers. The galactic map on the inside covers of HH: I-III show a planet 'Rangda' in the far north-west of the galaxy. Can only assume they originate from there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4184797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 It's probably the Cythor Fiends guys. The alien empire the Templars wiped out right before Armageddon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314254-dark-angels-and-wings/#findComment-4184842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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