Helias_Tancred Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Subject line says it all because I'm running a Blood Angel allied force with my Crimson Fists. The allied detachment consists of a tactical squad (geared with flamers) and a ten man death company squad with jump packs. I need an HQ. So far it seems that Astorath is a great HQ choice to team with the DC (and lead the allied detachment as the HQ), or ... Dante? But the latter is a ton of points. Thanks for the feedback and ideas Sons of Sanguinius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Well, the important thing to remember about Dante is that he's not an HQ, he's a Lord of War. You'd still need an HQ for your Allied Detachment. That aside, he is perhaps the best value in the BA codex. He is simply monstrous, and would grant Hit and Run to that mob of DC, which allows for repeated devastating charges. Given you WILL need an HQ, and you are definitely running Jump Pack DC, Astorath is definitely worth considering. Rerolling to-hits from Hatred is grand, and rerolling to-wounds is even better. The worry with Astorath is, of course, that he packs an Unwieldy Axe, making him somewhat vulnerable to challenges. And with no characters in the DC to cover for him, he's either gotta fight the challenge or not fight at all. 3 Wounds and a 2+/4++ save goes a way to resolve this, but with no EW, he's vulnerable to the same kind of insta-gibbing most characters are. A third option is a simple jumppack Chaplain. You'll miss out of the to-wound rerolls and the 2+ save, but in exchange, you can outfit him however you wish, and he'll almost certainly come out cheaper than Astorath. I like to run mine with a Grav-pistol, Meltabombs and the Crown Angelic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Astorath is a nice beatstick, but the DC usually dish out enough hurt as is. Keep it cheap with a chaplain and jump pack. If you want to deep strike the DC, consider giving the chaplain the Angel's Wings. For two melta bombs more than a regular JP you get the jump type, a reroll of the scatter dice, reroll on the DS Mishap table, and the opponent has to make snap shots if he uses interceptor weapons against the unit. Â [Edit]Woops I forgot that the regular chaplains lost the reroll to wound.[/Edit] Â [Edit2]Another way to get hit and run on the DC would be to take Librarius Conclave with WS chapter tactics.[/Edit] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I vote jump Chappie too, and consider giving him Valour's Edge for at-initiative AP2 goodness. You can sacrifice his shooting attack and keep his maul instead for concussive wounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Commander Scrymgeour Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I did exactly what Luther just suggested on Sunday. Rerolls were nice and Valour's edge meant that he killed a whole bunch of stuff. Even when the death company were eventually deleted by an assault centurion charge....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 An Allied Detachment has no LoW slot. If you want to take Dante, you will need to field either a BSF/CAD (so you'll need a HQ and a Troops choice) or a FTSF (HQ and FA choice). Â In short, I wouldn't bother with Dante, but I'd take a Chaplain/Librarian > Priest as a HQ in a BSF (either splitting up the Tactical squad into two five man squads or running some Scouts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlangWhanger Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 It's been said, but I am a strong advocate of Astorath. I take him in every list now because he recks stuff. I played a Harlequins list and my DC all got nailed by fire, but he was happily walking around and tanking shots and ripping through units as if he was picking flowers in the park... Â But team him with DC and whoop whoop say goodbye to that unit you just charged. Reroll EVERYTHING on the charge? And Zealot when you get charged? Yes please! Five man squads become deadly (mine with him have spent games slowly munching through units that have got too close, including thousand sons and possessed!) and ten man squads, with max 50 attacks are gonna cause damage with all those rerols and extra juicy weapons. Sanguinary priest and/or Baal strike force make this even tastier. Â Yeah he's expensive, and he has downsides, but for me he is an auto include in my army if running DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I think Astorath and Raphens DC could be nifty. You get a character to take challenges if you wish and they're tooled up enough to cause serious hurt. Plus the dudes can tank small arms and Astorath the weaker low AP things. Â Plus,Raphens DC is a troops choice. So you got your allied detachment there! Â They also fit neatly in a raven or castus with more added people (if you allow jumps in that in your meta). Astorath or Raphen with quickening :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Commander Scrymgeour Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 you could even take Cassor the dammned and have a BSF..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Astorath is really good for the DC.  Either that, or Dante! Brilliant combo. I really wish the priest could be worked in, but its such a waste of his FNP, despite the +1WS.  So, my thinks would be:  1: Astorath, 2: Dante, 3: Chappy, 4: Libby, 5: Priest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Totally agree with Mort. I'd never put a priest in the DC. Really it should be FAQ'd so that he gives then a 4+ FNP... But that's the other thread :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Raphen's DC got a bit too much bling for my taste, and weird combinations of gear on top of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildrcheese Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I vote jump Chappie too, and consider giving him Valour's Edge for at-initiative AP2 goodness. You can sacrifice his shooting attack and keep his maul instead for concussive wounds. I third this. You're not going to miss the bolt pistol shot and the choice of S7 ap4 or S5 ap2 on the charge is very nice. Even when I have Dante with the DC I take a Chappy for the extra buffs. Â D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I vote jump Chappie too, and consider giving him Valour's Edge for at-initiative AP2 goodness. You can sacrifice his shooting attack and keep his maul instead for concussive wounds. I third this. You're not going to miss the bolt pistol shot and the choice of S7 ap4 or S5 ap2 on the charge is very nice. Even when I have Dante with the DC I take a Chappy for the extra buffs. D I'd rather have a BS 5, 8" STR 6, AP 4 "shot" myself than a bolt pistol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildrcheese Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I vote jump Chappie too, and consider giving him Valour's Edge for at-initiative AP2 goodness. You can sacrifice his shooting attack and keep his maul instead for concussive wounds.I third this. You're not going to miss the bolt pistol shot and the choice of S7 ap4 or S5 ap2 on the charge is very nice. Even when I have Dante with the DC I take a Chappy for the extra buffs. D I'd rather have a BS 5, 8" STR 6, AP 4 "shot" myself than a bolt pistol Ah of course you can still throw a grenade, so really you're losing nothing. Good catch Jolemai. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Good point! How come BS5 though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Good point! How come BS5 though? Call it a typo, it should say BS 4... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Â Good point! How come BS5 though? Call it a typo, it should say BS 4... ;) You got my hopes up there :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Missing the days of the reclusiarchs I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Who doesn't?!? I do want to slap whoever thought giving DA 3W super Chaplains but not use was a good idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Haha so true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paikis Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Who doesn't?!? I do want to slap whoever thought giving DA 3W super Chaplains but not use was a good idea... Â We have 2 character chaplains. Astorath has 3 wounds, Lemartes has an elite slot... I mean 2 wounds. I think Chaplains are much more important for BA than they are for any other chapter... though perhaps Dark Angels chappies are important too? Not really sure on DA fluff. Either way, gimme reclusiarch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Both are special characters though with set load outs :( I want my own hero chappy with valours edge and 3W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helias_Tancred Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 For the record my HQ for my Blood Angels allied force will be a chaplain with a jump pack. He will fight alongside the death company (10, JP) that will be my elite. My troop choice will be a 10 man tactical squad toting a heavy flamer, flamer, and combi-flamer on the sergeant. They will most likely enter the battle via drop pod .. right next to enemy infantry ;) Â And that will be my allied force .... for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 That's a very good allied detachment. I've used similar to great effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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