Son of Carnelian Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 So, I see a consistent theme among discussions in the Age of Darkness forum when it comes to particular legions. Everyone highlights different aspects of their favorite legion (or in some cases, least favorite legion) as needing more attention. People talk about the Dusk Raiders, the Emperor's Children's characteristics as loyalists, and numerous other legion specific elements that for whatever reason, neither the Black Library or Forge World have explored in depth. So I would ask my fellow members of the Age of Darkness: what pieces of the lore need more attention? If Black Library announced they had made a book about X theme from the legion background, what would make it an auto-purchase? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 A comprehensive guide to the Alpha Legion ;) Only half serious, it would be nice to get a little bit more inside view into them. I'd like some nice fluff on how each Legion interacts with Mechanicum allies with some particular mentions of certain units of fame amongst them. Especially if it was set out like the pictures in the HH books of Marines with thier wargear. I'd like a comprehensive visual armoury of the Primarchs too. All thier weapons, armour, gadgets etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalvationOfReason Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 That'd be great, but Guillamon's wall display alone would fill a small novel in its own. Other Primarchs, probably not so much. What I would like to see further explored would be if and how any members/significant numbers from the Traitor Legions turn Loyalist, or vice versa. Now, we have legionaries like Dantioch who essentially immediately reject turning traitor, but what about those who start having second thoughts halfway through the Heresy? One other thing I'd like to see covered would be what happened to the other 4 Traitor Legions representatives on Terra. I'm assuming Fel Zharost may have been one of them, but that still leaves 3 more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The last four years of the Age of Darkness... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 This is my own wish-listing but it'd be great if the traitor Death Guard ever received a novel/novella from a legionary's perspective, written semi-sympathetically. Some bits on how the legionaries justify to themselves that what they're doing is right, show the creeping influence of the lodges and how it's changing the legion even before their "big" change. Throw in a little bit of self-doubt, that none of the legionaries can actually show in the open, due to Mortarion's paranoid influence making his Chaplains into his "secret police"/eyes and ears (which is a neat idea from the short Distant Echoes of Old Night, which I consider otherwise pretty bad). Maybe some flashbacks to life on Barbarus post-Mortarion, exploring a bit of the Legion's homeworld culture, even just a little. The Legion cultures thread put the XIVth's lack of character or little cultural habits into pretty harsh light. Also, at some point if the Solar Auxilia showed up in a story or two that'd be cool. It'd be great to hear more from the human perspective, fighting against and alongside the Legions at the forefront. The next time we revisit the Sons of Horus in a story, a Cthonian head-hunter character would rock socks. Oh, and when the World Eaters show up in red I guess. Which is probably pretty soon post-Betrayer? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The Lion and his head for tactics/strategy which the HH books seem to ignore. The D.A and there "Wings" and how that plays into there secret's. Terran and caliban marines did they ever serve alongside each other. The earliest history of the 1st Legion "We where the emperor Praetorians". Merir Astelan. White scars some hint's at what there flaw might be dose it have anything to do with the terran born great khan and the 1 in 200 males having his gene. Blood angel's Jet bike squads are they as odd as there combat bike brethren. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Just Death Guard in general. Their portrayal in the novels have been very much the background guys, via the perspective of a Loyalist, or mustache twirling villain. This especially goes for how stupid and one dimensional they made Mortarion... there was a huge potential to play on his feelings via Scars, but since did a complete reversal and has since turned into a generic boring villain. Ho hum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Carnelian Posted October 4, 2015 Author Share Posted October 4, 2015 Just Death Guard in general. Their portrayal in the novels have been very much the background guys, via the perspective of a Loyalist, or mustache twirling villain. This especially goes for how stupid and one dimensional they made Mortarion... there was a huge potential to play on his feelings via Scars, but since did a complete reversal and has since turned into a generic boring villain. Ho hum. I would argue Mortarion got an extremely fair shake in Scars, but I agree about the Death Guard in general. All good answers guys. Keep 'em coming! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Mortarion was great in Scars and they could have played off of his unease with Horus & Co., the idea that he was thinking of turning on the Warmaster, and he was second guessing his alliance... not to go back to the Emperor, but certainly not staying with Horus either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 This may not fit here but what I would LOVE to to see is the primarchs lives before they were found by the emperor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 None of them. Why? Because it's up to us, the individual, to fill the blanks with our imagination, then bring those crazy thoughts to life. FW gives us the perfect amount, enough to create a framework for anywhere our imagination takes us. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 FW also gave us Polynesian markings all over my poor raven guard to hammer home the link to the space sharks. TMI Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I got bloody stars and bunting on my Iron Warriors. Life sucks, get a Mk. V Helmet. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 LOGISTICS! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Those last 3 comments have SLAIN me. Im now heavily considering just creating the Primarchs armoury idea myself xD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob P Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I would like to see more regarding Mortarion and the Death Guard. I think people embellish or mis-remember what was said in Scars, who said it and how it was said. I personally found Mortarion's 'turn' in Daemonology to be a weak/disappointing explanation of his shift. I'm also always after more Dark Angels. They are way more interesting in 30k than they ever could be in 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 If the Ultramarines could achieve anything for once, that would be nice. So far they have been punching bags and are being suspected of treason for their empire plotting (they are even doubted by the Emperor himself, ouch). Hopefully they will get a decent moment before the Scouring (which might not even be covered by the series at all). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4187860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Bitterness does not suit you, ancient brother. The XIII Legion are covered in glory, as they always have been. it simply isn't Guilliman's time yet, to show his true genius. Patience, brother. Time is on your side. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4188037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 If the Ultramarines could achieve anything for once, that would be nice. So far they have been punching bags and are being suspected of treason for their empire plotting (they are even doubted by the Emperor himself, ouch). Hopefully they will get a decent moment before the Scouring (which might not even be covered by the series at all). Don't worry man, your legion comes out on top and goes on to sire 90% of the existing Space Marine chapters. Everyone else is ruined by the heresy lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4188046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Also, I think the Ultramarines do pretty well with everything that gets thrown at them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4188058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Calth was a pretty neat battle for the ultramarines. Nothing to be disapointed at there Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4188061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The Ultramarines hold down the entire eastern border of a galactic empire, virtually on their own. They're that good and anyone that disputes it simply doesn't know what they're talking about. But I agree with the others, their time to shine hasn't come yet. It will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4188063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Carnelian Posted October 4, 2015 Author Share Posted October 4, 2015 Do you guys think the Imperial Heralds need more attention at all? I'm personally interested in that period of the Word Bearer's history, but it always seems like a footnote in their turn to heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4188108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Well, it's called the "Horus Heresy" series. More insights into the Great Crusade would have been nice (especially for the Ultramarines), but it is not what the series is about. Similarly, we may not actually get to see the scouring, and the series might end (in twenty years or so) with the Siege of the Imperial Palace. On the other hand, BL is milking the Heresy series like there is no tomorrow, so they may decide to go further into the Scouring after all. And don't get me started on the Calth desaster... *mumblegrumble* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4188115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The Scouring will be another setting althogether I am sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314459-which-legionaspect-of-a-legion-needs-more-attention/#findComment-4188163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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