Why did each primarch turn do chaos or stay loyal

[Remus Ventanus.]

Imo, if you don't want to be corrupted, you won't be. The reason many of the traitor primarchs turned was because they had bigger issues with the emperor and the imperium,and gave in. As said, marines have resisted, so I don't see why some primarchs can't be considered incorruptible

[Arkangilos]

I don't know, search for it on here. 

You are the one making the claim, you are the one that has to back it up. As far as I am aware, it's an interpretation that the Emperor was given it by chaos. I mean, we already had someone say that he stole it from them, and cited the same book.

 

If it was stolen, they aren't "co-creators"

 

Also, we don't have proof they were corruptible. What we do have proof of is that they *did not* get corrupted, that they all stayed away from chaos. 

[DuskRaider]

If you're really that curious to find the conversation, I know there's a huge thread on Vengeful Spirit. I really don't have the motivation to search for it, but I welcome you to do so, there's a lot of good info in there about Pre-Primarch Emperor as well as how he became as powerful as he is. Like I said, it's foolish to say none are incorruptible. At the end of the day, half stayed loyal (and of those, at least one was very close to siding with Horus... the Khan).

[Marshal Rohr]

Horus goes through the gate on Molech and spends an eternity wrestling the power of chaos from each of the four gods. It's implied the emperor just made a bargain and went back on it.

[LordBlades]

Regarding Guilliman, to me it seems he rather acted to preserve his own legacy (Ultramar) rather than his father's (the Imperium at large).

[Calas Typhon]

 

I honestly can't understand how anyone thinks Guilliman (and this is from a BA player, not an Ultrafan), would have turned. His actions were not disloyal. They were practical and within the realm of pure loyalty.

 

He wanted to ensure the Emperor's legacy survived. Remember, when he made that decision there was no way to contact Terra, no way to know who was alive, who had turned, who had done anything. He was stuck, and for all he knew, Terra fell. 

 

So what do you do when you think your dad died? You carry on his legacy. You want your father to live on after death. In order to do that you need to do a few things.

1) You need to ensure the family, his homes, and his possessions survive. So you reinforce. You consolidate. 

2) You need to ensure you don't get yourself killed acting rashly, so you become patient, think things through. Evaluate your next actions.

3) Having consolidated and evaluated, you make sure to remove the threats to your father's legacy, ensuring the dream and blood line flow on. 

 

Those are acts of supreme loyalty, not disloyalty. He did what he needed, not what we wanted. 

 

 

Also, the chaos gods were not co-creators. There is a difference between using warp power and teaming up with someone. The Emperor has not teamed up with anyone. And there is no actual proof of that to my knowledge.

#1) Any Primarch could have turned to Chaos. Any of them. If Horus and Fulgrim could, any of them could.

 

#2) Yes, the Chaos Gods were the co-creators of the Primarchs.

 

I will be honest I simply do not see Ferrus or Dorn turning to Chaos, call me blind or idiotic for saying so. With Primarchs like those who were corrupted, there was something to be played upon Fulgrim and Horus were prime examples of that.

 

Dorn and Ferrus however were of a different kind, Dorn (Pre Heresy - Pre SoT) was nothing but discipline and Stone, Ferrus though I can see where people base this, on his rage and his legion and their "Flesh is Weak". If the Chaos Gods really wanted them could they have? I don't think so personally. Perhaps they might have been used if say Horus did not start the heresy but was still corrupted, even then I am sure they would question more extreme or seemingly pointless objectives.

 

As far as I am aware, the Chaos Gods are not confirmed to have played a part in the creation of the Primarchs and only scattered them once they found out about the process, they could have been lying to both Horus and Argel Tal and the Word Bearers and skewing the view on the events that happened, its not in their nature to lie.

[Balthamal]

There's ways of looking at it. Would Dorn of Ferrus turn to Chaos knowing what it was? Not a chance in hell. But if they were lead there gradually? Anything is possible. Did Magnus know he was being played like a harp by Tzeentch? No. Like all Primarchs he had flaws and they were exploited fully to take him to a point of no return, just like Fulgrim. 

 

The manipulation for the more stalwart Primarchs would have to be incredibly subtle but eventually, yeah, they could all turn given the right/wrong circumstances

[Legatus]

Regarding an alleged cooperation between the Emperor and Chaos in the creation of the Primarchs, this source is perhaps a bit dated:

 

"As the human race prospered the warp became increasingly disturbed so that its flow could no longer sustain the planet as it once had. The New Man was aware of how the extreme sides of human character were feeding the Chaos Powers. Despite his best efforts to promote peace and harmony, the instinctive values of martial honour, ambition, defiance, and self-satisfaction could never be eradicated.(...)

The Chaos Powers sensed the presence of the New Man and his efforts to curb their own power and growth. Even before they became fully conscious the Chaos Powers recognised the Emperor as their greatest enemy.

(...)

The Emperor never made the mistake of underestimating the threat of Chaos, and in order to meet the threat he put the best scientific brains on Earth to work. Weapons and spacecraft poured out of the Martian factories to bolster beleaguered forces throughout the galaxy.

The Emperor's most long-sighted plan to counter the insiduous influences of the Chaos Powers was the creation of the Primarchs: genetically engineered super-humans with god-like powers. The Emperor's intention was to create a whole race of super-humans from the genetic blueprint of the Primarchs. By making them loyal and strong he hoped that they would prove immune to the malign psychic influences of Chaos.

The Primarchs were to be shining examples of humans free from the taint of corruption. The energy of the uncorrupted warp would flow through them as it flowed through the Emperor himself, invigorating them and conferring special powers such as were possessed by the shamans of old.

Unfortunately, things did not go quite according to plan. Despite the Emperor's best attempts to shield the project from the penetrating eyes of the Chaos Powers they still managed to learn from it. The Primarchs were still in their foetal stage, growing in special amniotic tanks, when the Chaos Powers combined their energies to spirit them away in an unexpectedly bold move.

Even for the Chaos Powers this kidnapping represented a colossal expenditure of energy. The Primarchs were sucked through the warp and scattered on separate human worlds in distant parts of the galaxy. The Chaos Powers did not have the resources to destroy the Primarchs, but they did the next best thing which was to hide them from the Emperor. They were to remain hidden until after the waking of Slaanesh.

(...)

The Emperor had lost the Primarchs and the first action of his renewed war against the Chaos Powers.

(...)

By the time the warp storms were ended, the Space Marines and other Imperial forces were ready to begin their reconquest of the galaxy. The forces of Chaos were already strong, and many human worlds had been taken over by Chaos Cultists or other aliens. It was a long hard struggle, but with every victory the Imperium grew stronger as new warriors joined the Great Crusade.

The initial conquests concentrated in areas where the Primarchs had been hidden. Using his psychic powers the Emperor gradually located and found each of his original creations and united them with the Space Marine Chapters created from their genetic imprints. They seemed none the worse for their brush with Chaos, having grown up to be great leaders and warriors among the local populations. In fact this appearance of normality was to prove deceptive, for some of the Primarchs had become tainted by their early contact with Chaos. With the help of the Primarchs the Great Crusade swept across the galaxy. Humanity rose to the task of rebuilding its ancient heritage, and everywhere the alien oppressor was defeated and driven out. Chaos retreated to its own realms, to the zones of warp-real space overlap such as the Eye of Terror.

(...)

The forces of Chaos were not quite so easily beaten. They whispered to the Primarchs from the warp, disturbing their dreams with promises of power, appealing to their pride, their martial prowess, and their courage. No single Primarch was wholly resistant to these unspoken temptations. The character of each was sorely tested, and fully half of them failed that test."

- 1st Edition Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned (1990), p. 175-178

 

This source is still up to date. Unfortunately it does not go as much into the initial relation between the Emperor and the Chaos Powers, but it still includes the remarks onf Primarch corruptability:

 

"The pinnacle of his success was the Primatchs Program, in which the Emperor used his own rich genetic code to create twenty super-beings, each with the strength of a dozen men and intelligence almost equal to that of the Emperor himself. These gods amongst men were masterpieces of arcane science, destined to reunite the scattered realms of Man.

At the Emperor's triumph, disaster struck. A mysterious Warp vortex swept up the infant Primarchs and flung them through the Immaterium far from Terra, eventually depositing them upon distant human worlds. Perhaps it was during this cosmic voyage that Chaos first touched the Primarchs, whispering in their dreams and sowing the seeds of future tyrannies as they slept.

(...)

Though his Primarchs had been scattered by the machinations of the Chaos Gods, he strived to track each of them down and enact his vision of a superhuman army. By the time the Warp storms around Terra had ended, the Space Marines, bolstered by the Imperial Army and the Mechanicum of Mars, stood ready to begin the reconquest of the galaxy. Many worlds once claimed by Mankind had been taken over by aliens of corrupted by Chaos. The reclamation of the stars was a long, hard-fought struggle, but the Legiones Astartes were ascendant. With every victory, the Imperium grew as new worlds joined the Great Crusade.

(...)

The dark and sinister holds of the Chaos Gods were shattered, alien domination was overthrown, and the Imperium of Man was forged in a heroic age of conquest and rediscovery. With the unparalleled vision and skill of the Emperor driving it onwards, humanity rose to the task of rebuilding its ancient heritage. The minions of Chaos retreated to their own ethereal realms, seeking sanctuary within the Warp.

(...)

Despite the Great Crusade's many victories, the war against the forces of Chaos had barely begun. The seeds of corruption had already been sown far and wide across the Imperium, tainting the ambition of common men and even taking root amongst its highest echelons. The Chaos Gods whispered to the Primarchs from the Warp, disturbing their dreams with promises of limitless power. They appealed to their pride, their martial prowess, their perfectionism, and their courage - all the while casting doubt on the Emperor's plans. No single Primarch was wholly resistant. The character of each was sorely tested, and fully half of them eventually failed that test."

- 6th Edition Codex Chaos Space Marines (2012), p. 6-9

 

So, yes, in theory, no one is immune to the influence of Chaos. In practice, Chaos tried to corrupt all of the Primarchs, and managed to get half of them.

[DuskRaider]

Regarding Guilliman, to me it seems he rather acted to preserve his own legacy (Ultramar) rather than his father's (the Imperium at large).

I am by no means a fan of Guilliman, but I'd say this is incorrect. His actions were more the preservation of mankind than his own empire. Remember, he planned to put Sanguinius in charge of the whole thing, he was simply the orchestrator.

[LordBlades]

I'd also add Leman Russ to the incorruptible list. Leman Russ knew the dark side of the Imperium pretty well (hell, he had been that darkside more than once) and didn't care. As long as the emperor didn't do something significant against Leman himself or his legion, I just don't see him turning.

[Ishagu]

I'd agree to that, but the wolves as a whole seem pretty well defended from chaos influence, just look at their rune priests and the way the channel to warp.

[Legatus]

Roboute Guilliman could have easily turned against the Emperor if things had turned out just a tiny bit different than they did. Macragge was ruled by two Consuls, the upstanding and benevolent Konor Guilliman and the selfish and greedy Gallan. (Gallan would eventually conspire against Konor and try to take over the entire planet, leading to the death of Konor.) When the Primarch's incubator capsule was discovered, he was brought before Konor, who raised him as his own son. (Other sources say that it was Konor himself who discovered the capsule.) From him Roboute learned his values, that his power should be used for improving circumstances where possible, especially for the weaker elements of society. But perhaps the Chaos Powers that had brought the Primarch's capsule to Macragge had hoped that he would have been raised by Gallan instead, who would have taught him that power entitled him to take whatever he wanted, that it was just and fair and natural for the strong to rule and conquer the weak.

 

Who knows, perhaps even though Roboute ended up with Konor, the Chaos Powers still attempted, through Gallan, to influence him. As son of one of the two Consuls, there would probably have been some association with the other Co-Consul of the planet. He could have congratulated Roboute on all of his achievements and his talents, and point out that such a virtuous individual as himself had earned to live a good life and to enjoy certain spoils. He had done so much for other people, why not permit himself a just reward?

 

That failing, perhaps another attempt to get to him was to have Gallan consipre and murder his forster father. Instead of appealing to his greed, perhaps hate and spite could be his downfall, having him turn into a tyrannical ruler who, after the experience of having his father killed by treacherous usurpers, oppresses any dissent with an iron fist.

 

Roboute Guilliman could have turned out very different with just minute changes in his development.

[Noserenda]

I suspect its no coincidence the Chaos gods corrupted exactly half the legions, keeps things interesting ;)

 

And anyone can fall to chaos, anyone.

[Remus Ventanus.]

Roboute Guilliman could have easily turned against the Emperor if things had turned out just a tiny bit different than they did. Macragge was ruled by two Consuls, the upstanding and benevolent Konor Guilliman and the selfish and greedy Gallan. (Gallan would eventually conspire against Konor and try to take over the entire planet, leading to the death of Konor.) When the Primarch's incubator capsule was discovered, he was brought before Konor, who raised him as his own son. (Other sources say that it was Konor himself who discovered the capsule.) From him Roboute learned his values, that his power should be used for improving circumstances where possible, especially for the weaker elements of society. But perhaps the Chaos Powers that had brought the Primarch's capsule to Macragge had hoped that he would have been raised by Gallan instead, who would have taught him that power entitled him to take whatever he wanted, that it was just and fair and natural for the strong to rule and conquer the weak.

 

Who knows, perhaps even though Roboute ended up with Konor, the Chaos Powers still attempted, through Gallan, to influence him. As son of one of the two Consuls, there would probably have been some association with the other Co-Consul of the planet. He could have congratulated Roboute on all of his achievements and his talents, and point out that such a virtuous individual as himself had earned to live a good life and to enjoy certain spoils. He had done so much for other people, why not permit himself a just reward?

 

That failing, perhaps another attempt to get to him was to have Gallan consipre and murder his forster father. Instead of appealing to his greed, perhaps hate and spite could be his downfall, having him turn into a tyrannical ruler who, after the experience of having his father killed by treacherous usurpers, oppresses any dissent with an iron fist.

 

Roboute Guilliman could have turned out very different with just minute changes in his development.

I do agree that the primarchs early lives are extremely important in determining why people turned.

 

It is interesting what your brought up, never thought about it like that. Thank the emperor konor raised him

[Calas Typhon]

I suspect its no coincidence the Chaos gods corrupted exactly half the legions, keeps things interesting And anyone can fall to chaos, anyone.

We have seen that the Gods can be denied, it happened in the Night Lords Omnibus. You can count Kroegar in the Iron Warriors books too, he outright denied the Blood God even if he was played with a little. Primarchs were (even if they were written as nothing than quite dumb giant Astartes) by all accounts far superior to just these two cases. Just because something Can be corrupted, does not mean it will be.

We have no idea what the Emperor did with the creation of the Primarchs and how far Chaos can Influence a Primarch directly, we might even find out in ADB's Master of Mankind.

[Kol Saresk]

I'd agree to that, but the wolves as a whole seem pretty well defended from chaos influence, just look at their rune priests and the way the channel to warp.

Which is absolutely no different from how any other psyker channels the warp. Recommend reading Ahriman: Sorcerer. Rune Priest, all of his teeth turn into snakelike fangs, his mouth can even distend like a snakes, he cannibalizes corpses to recieve visions, and, oh this the best part, the visions came from a Chaotic influence that used the rune priests to steer the Space Wolves he was traveling with to attack an Inquisitorial attack force so Ahriman could escape with the Athenuam and the Space Wolves Chapter would be drawn under suspicion of possible taint, thus creating the distrust between the Wolves and the Inquisition that exists in 40K today. So yeah, no. They aren't "incorruptible".

 

What makes the incorruptible Primarchs "incorruptible" isn't some fluke of genetics or whatever, it is simply who they are. All of the Loyalists Primarchs who remained Loyal were loyal.

 

Dorn, the Praetorian, the Primarch who would go to any length to defend his father. And, well that's the nutshell there. You swear wtih your heart, mind, body and soul that you're going to defend something then trying to get you to not defend is going to take some serious effort.

 

Guilliman, the Legacy Builder, the Primarch who will do everything to ensure his father's dream survives because his father's dream is his dream, even if that means trying to recreate the dream somewhere else as a plan b. So they sought to hit him through his pride, to make him see himself as the ruler of this dream. But, what they didn't count on is that while he saw himself as an empire builder and an administrator, he did not see himself as an empire ruler.

 

Sanguinius, the Fearful Son, he is loyal to the Emperor out of fear, not of the Emperor but of himself. Specifically, the Flaw. He fearsd the Flaw and he hated the Flaw, and his loyalty and belief that the Emperor could do something about the Flaw was so absolute that the only way Chaos could even think of trying to corrupt him was to make the Flaw consume him, which is something he would rather die before letting it happen.

 

Russ, the Dutiful Son. So complete in his loyalty that he is conceivably willing to do anything he just thinks his father wants. Thus leading to Prospero. But therein lies the problem, he is loyal to the Emperor. Turning to Chaos would mean breaking with that loyalty, much in the same manner as Dorn. He can be made to regret the decisions he made due to that loyalty, but he cannot be made to question the loyalty itself.

 

Vulkan, the Beast, as in Beauty and the Beast. Having a monstrous appearance always made him see the inside character of those around him and as a result, he became on of the most human and caring Primarchs. The nature of Chaos is parasitic, viral even. It feeds and feeds and feeds until there is nothing left to feed on and it feeds by causing misery, terror and pain, things that are completely antithetic to Vulkan's character.

 

And I'm sure if I was more motivated, I could complete the list.

 

Also, Horus didn't turn over something as petty as not having a statue and I'm surprised people could have that narrow of a view. What the statue represents to Horus is that everything he has accomplished, everything that he ever will accomplish will mean nothing. It will not matter. And more importantly, no one will ever know he did it. And to someone as arrogant and prideful as Horus, recieving no acknowledgement for his own deeds while others get theirs would seem like others taking credit for what you have done.

 

EDIT: Also, anyone can be corrupted, but it doesn't mean they will be corrupted. The warp reveals the true nature of those within. Mutations are typically caused by the physical body being reshaped to better reflect the spiritual personality. So, the more of a monster you are, eventually the more monstrous you will appear.

[Dantay VI]

I need to read Fear to tread again. I thought Sanguinius was on the verge of turning until one of his sons took his place and became the "red angel"

[Marshal Rohr]

The bit about the uncorrupted warp being used to create the Primarchs makes me think that it was the foster cultures of each Primarch that ultimately determined their loyalty. I've made the argument before, and won't repeat it in depth here. All the traitor Primarchs grew up in bad places and had 'bad guy' written on their foreheads from day one. All the loyalist Primarchs lived in places that might've been rough, but still gave them the 'glorious general' or 'noble savage' personalities. Magnus and Lorgar grew up in places that open had dealings with chaos. Mortarion was raised by an evil alien. Angron was broken since his capture. Horus grew up in a place that makes the term 'snake pit' sound too polite. Don't get me started on Kurze. He was never going to be normal.

[Kol Saresk]

I would disagree with Prospero having open dealings with Chaos, at least not until after Magnus was reunited with his Legion.

 

Remember, according to A Thousand Sons, Magnus as an infant was capable of feats of psychic powers that shocked the leaders of the various orders. In fact, until his arrival they thought a person could only master one of the disciplines. And Magnus taught himself to sail the tides of the Empyrean.

 

As far as we know, the first time Magnus came into contact with Chaos was when he bartered for the lives of his Legion and it was after that he introduce the familiars. It wasn't Prospero that had open contact with Chaos, it was Magnus. Albeit because of his sheer arrogance and naivete to believe that Chaos wasn't a viable threat.

[Kizzdougs]

The bit about the uncorrupted warp being used to create the Primarchs makes me think that it was the foster cultures of each Primarch that ultimately determined their loyalty. I've made the argument before, and won't repeat it in depth here. All the traitor Primarchs grew up in bad places and had 'bad guy' written on their foreheads from day one. All the loyalist Primarchs lived in places that might've been rough, but still gave them the 'glorious general' or 'noble savage' personalities. Magnus and Lorgar grew up in places that open had dealings with chaos. Mortarion was raised by an evil alien. Angron was broken since his capture. Horus grew up in a place that makes the term 'snake pit' sound too polite. Don't get me started on Kurze. He was never going to be normal.

I agree that the foster cultures played an influential role in the eventual loyalty of most the Primarchs, but what about Fulgrim? Chemos was a pretty grim (but no worse than Medusa or Baal) place when the Primarch first arrived, but by the time the Emperor arrived Fulgrim had sorted it out. There is no evidence of Choas influence on Chemos and Fulgrim's upbringing was relatively benign compared to most of the other Primarchs.

[Marshal Rohr]

 

The bit about the uncorrupted warp being used to create the Primarchs makes me think that it was the foster cultures of each Primarch that ultimately determined their loyalty. I've made the argument before, and won't repeat it in depth here. All the traitor Primarchs grew up in bad places and had 'bad guy' written on their foreheads from day one. All the loyalist Primarchs lived in places that might've been rough, but still gave them the 'glorious general' or 'noble savage' personalities. Magnus and Lorgar grew up in places that open had dealings with chaos. Mortarion was raised by an evil alien. Angron was broken since his capture. Horus grew up in a place that makes the term 'snake pit' sound too polite. Don't get me started on Kurze. He was never going to be normal.

I agree that the foster cultures played an influential role in the eventual loyalty of most the Primarchs, but what about Fulgrim? Chemos was a pretty grim (but no worse than Medusa or Baal) place when the Primarch first arrived, but by the time the Emperor arrived Fulgrim had sorted it out. There is no evidence of Choas influence on Chemos and Fulgrim's upbringing was relatively benign compared to most of the other Primarchs.

 

 

Fulgrim was raised as a Messiah. IIRC, the people that found him committed murder immediately to keep him. That kind of evil, in a universe where actions play a major part in physical reality, would definitely have left some evil on Fulgrim's soul. Especially, again IIRC, because it was a betrayal, which BL has taken great pains to point out is the chief of mortal sin. 

[Marshal Rohr]

I would disagree with Prospero having open dealings with Chaos, at least not until after Magnus was reunited with his Legion.

 

Remember, according to A Thousand Sons, Magnus as an infant was capable of feats of psychic powers that shocked the leaders of the various orders. In fact, until his arrival they thought a person could only master one of the disciplines. And Magnus taught himself to sail the tides of the Empyrean.

 

As far as we know, the first time Magnus came into contact with Chaos was when he bartered for the lives of his Legion and it was after that he introduce the familiars. It wasn't Prospero that had open contact with Chaos, it was Magnus. Albeit because of his sheer arrogance and naivete to believe that Chaos wasn't a viable threat.

Allow me to correct myself, I said chaos but meant warp craft. Some Templar habits die hard ;)

[Kol Saresk]

Fair enough lol. Have to agree they're not too dissimiliar since there is very little evidence of "pure" warp energy.

[Memento Of Prospero]

 

I'd agree to that, but the wolves as a whole seem pretty well defended from chaos influence, just look at their rune priests and the way the channel to warp.

Which is absolutely no different from how any other psyker channels the warp. Recommend reading Ahriman: Sorcerer. Rune Priest, all of his teeth turn into snakelike fangs, his mouth can even distend like a snakes, he cannibalizes corpses to recieve visions, and, oh this the best part, the visions came from a Chaotic influence that used the rune priests to steer the Space Wolves he was traveling with to attack an Inquisitorial attack force so Ahriman could escape with the Athenuam and the Space Wolves Chapter would be drawn under suspicion of possible taint, thus creating the distrust between the Wolves and the Inquisition that exists in 40K today. So yeah, no. They aren't "incorruptible".

 

What makes the incorruptible Primarchs "incorruptible" isn't some fluke of genetics or whatever, it is simply who they are. All of the Loyalists Primarchs who remained Loyal were loyal.

 

Dorn, the Praetorian, the Primarch who would go to any length to defend his father. And, well that's the nutshell there. You swear wtih your heart, mind, body and soul that you're going to defend something then trying to get you to not defend is going to take some serious effort.

 

Guilliman, the Legacy Builder, the Primarch who will do everything to ensure his father's dream survives because his father's dream is his dream, even if that means trying to recreate the dream somewhere else as a plan b. So they sought to hit him through his pride, to make him see himself as the ruler of this dream. But, what they didn't count on is that while he saw himself as an empire builder and an administrator, he did not see himself as an empire ruler.

 

Sanguinius, the Fearful Son, he is loyal to the Emperor out of fear, not of the Emperor but of himself. Specifically, the Flaw. He fearsd the Flaw and he hated the Flaw, and his loyalty and belief that the Emperor could do something about the Flaw was so absolute that the only way Chaos could even think of trying to corrupt him was to make the Flaw consume him, which is something he would rather die before letting it happen.

 

Russ, the Dutiful Son. So complete in his loyalty that he is conceivably willing to do anything he just thinks his father wants. Thus leading to Prospero. But therein lies the problem, he is loyal to the Emperor. Turning to Chaos would mean breaking with that loyalty, much in the same manner as Dorn. He can be made to regret the decisions he made due to that loyalty, but he cannot be made to question the loyalty itself.

 

Vulkan, the Beast, as in Beauty and the Beast. Having a monstrous appearance always made him see the inside character of those around him and as a result, he became on of the most human and caring Primarchs. The nature of Chaos is parasitic, viral even. It feeds and feeds and feeds until there is nothing left to feed on and it feeds by causing misery, terror and pain, things that are completely antithetic to Vulkan's character.

 

And I'm sure if I was more motivated, I could complete the list.

 

Also, Horus didn't turn over something as petty as not having a statue and I'm surprised people could have that narrow of a view. What the statue represents to Horus is that everything he has accomplished, everything that he ever will accomplish will mean nothing. It will not matter. And more importantly, no one will ever know he did it. And to someone as arrogant and prideful as Horus, recieving no acknowledgement for his own deeds while others get theirs would seem like others taking credit for what you have done.

 

EDIT: Also, anyone can be corrupted, but it doesn't mean they will be corrupted. The warp reveals the true nature of those within. Mutations are typically caused by the physical body being reshaped to better reflect the spiritual personality. So, the more of a monster you are, eventually the more monstrous you will appear.

 

 

You forgot, Ferrus, the true soldier.

[Kol Saresk]

Yeah, I did mention that I didn't feel like finishing the list with the last four Loyalists lol.