jimbo13 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Hey everyone, I need your assistance, is there any information out there about Black Shields? I'm tempted about doing a small force of them but don't know exactly about how to go about them. I'm thinking a small combat patrol size of either iron warriors or alpha legion and would love to get more info before preceding. Thanks gals& guys!!! -Jimbo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Not much info In book 4 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I think there's meant to be some about them in book 6..? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I think there's meant to be some about them in book 6..? should be together with shattered legions yeah well, Alan loves his black shields ^,^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I think there's meant to be some about them in book 6..? should be together with shattered legions yeah well, Alan loves his black shields ^,^ Alan loves all..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 What exactly are they? Are they like the Knights Errant, loyalists from the traitor legions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 What exactly are they? Are they like the Knights Errant, loyalists from the traitor legions? kind off, but they have their own agenda^^ nothing to do with Malcador^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 What exactly are they? Are they like the Knights Errant, loyalists from the traitor legions? kind off, but they have their own agenda^^ nothing to do with Malcador^^ Yeah, I meant to mention that. But they're that kind of idea? Loyalists from the traitors? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 What exactly are they? Are they like the Knights Errant, loyalists from the traitor legions?kind off, but they have their own agenda^^ nothing to do with Malcador^^ Yeah, I meant to mention that. But they're that kind of idea? Loyalists from the traitors? yeah^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Cool. Are they mentioned anywhere yet? In the novels or anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Cool. Are they mentioned anywhere yet? In the novels or anything. nope^^ 40k black shields are mentioned @ the Deathwatch p&p rpg, and other than that, we only have the one black shield in Conquest and Crysos Morturg who also has the title of black shield^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Okay cool, cheers. I still need to get Conquest. I'm looking forward to book 6 too... Do you think we'll see anything about it at the 40k weekend thing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Okay cool, cheers. I still need to get Conquest. I'm looking forward to book 6 too... Do you think we'll see anything about it at the 40k weekend thing? we should^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 YAY!!!! Ideally the black shields are the Vengeful Sons. Out for blood kinda deal, that's all I got about them in 30k from the blurb where the picture is from. I was pretty sure they'd be in the shattered legions, Atia I think I had read it in one of your rumors section. -That's why I was also asking about the Unification bolts :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 ... Further to this, and perhaps an even more sinister enigma, are the persistent reports of Space Marine forces appearing bearing no sign or seal of heraldry or origin at all, or stranger yet, heraldry which bears no mark known during the Great Crusade. A handful of extant accounts, now sealed beyond all retrieval, make reference to a loosely-termed and non-formal class of warrior known as the "Blackshields". The majority of Blackshields appear to have been of the Legiones Astartes, though some may once have belonged to other factions. In some cases the term was a literal description, the warriors having obscured the livery of their parent Legion, painting some or all of their armour's panels black to hide all former associations. ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 I had read that and that's why I'm so hot on this topic. It's looking more like it'll be alpha black shields. It feels fitting, I feel like not everyone would be happy with all the sneaking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol_Invictus Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Hmm... I guess I don't really pick up on the Alpha legion vibe from the description. On a separate note does anyone have a good image of the Aquila with the thunderbolts on their shoulder pads? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 Hmm... I guess I don't really pick up on the Alpha legion vibe from the description. On a separate note does anyone have a good image of the Aquila with the thunderbolts on their shoulder pads? No I meant like they turned and weren't happy with the whole heresy thing so they became black shields. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Black Shields are not an order, it is a title for one who once bore the colors of their Legion with pride, but now have turned on their old oaths and stripped the heraldry from their plate in either disgust or even punishment. It is the closest we have to an under-class amongst the Legions; Brothers without a brotherhood. Outcasts. The lowest of the low. And in this essence, possibly the most devoted to their ideology. Some fight alone. Some group together in loose, untrusted squads to raise Hell. Some loyal, some not. All that matters to them is that they stand for their beliefs, even if their defiance casts them as pariahs for all time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 ^^^^ That's why!!!! What he said. I was going to do something along that line. I haven't decided yet on the execution but I'm getting there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armond Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Nice, makes me want to model some using rules for 40k LotD. I have only pretty much seen what hyaenidae has basically described. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4191476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arac Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Yes they will be in Book VI so in Amsterdam I talked to Andy Hoare about them. He said they come from Loyalist Legions and Traitor Legions alike. It is a collective term for all Astartes that didn't for either the Emprah nor Horus. The origin of the term "black shields" was already explained (stripped Legion colours etc.). Obviously Andy and Alan both love them as they "invented" them back in the day when they both worked for FFG and had way more freedom. While I like the A-Team idea behind that fluffwise, I am suspicious about them ruleswise. If black-shields and shattered legions have no restrictions and can cherrypick from the whole LACAL+special units from all legions that's all the cheesy excuse some people need. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4192377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Yes they will be in Book VI so in Amsterdam I talked to Andy Hoare about them. He said they come from Loyalist Legions and Traitor Legions alike. It is a collective term for all Astartes that didn't for either the Emprah nor Horus. The origin of the term "black shields" was already explained (stripped Legion colours etc.). Obviously Andy and Alan both love them as they "invented" them back in the day when they both worked for FFG and had way more freedom. While I like the A-Team idea behind that fluffwise, I am suspicious about them ruleswise. If black-shields and shattered legions have no restrictions and can cherrypick from the whole LACAL+special units from all legions that's all the cheesy excuse some people need. so in theory, Caleb Decima is also a black shield? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4192409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Yes they will be in Book VI so in Amsterdam I talked to Andy Hoare about them. He said they come from Loyalist Legions and Traitor Legions alike. It is a collective term for all Astartes that didn't for either the Emprah nor Horus. The origin of the term "black shields" was already explained (stripped Legion colours etc.). Obviously Andy and Alan both love them as they "invented" them back in the day when they both worked for FFG and had way more freedom. While I like the A-Team idea behind that fluffwise, I am suspicious about them ruleswise. If black-shields and shattered legions have no restrictions and can cherrypick from the whole LACAL+special units from all legions that's all the cheesy excuse some people need. I wouldn't worry, I'm sure there'll be drawbacks for using a Shattered Legion force, rather than just picking loads of benefits you want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4192412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I'm hoping for vast restrictions on vehicles. Doesn't make sense to have a Land Raider, if your Legion cast you out, y'know? No supplies, no support, no allies. Only bitterness and righteous anger drive their warmaking now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314588-info-on-black-shields/#findComment-4192717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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