Ahazra Redth Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I am new to the game, and am interested in creating an army based on my favorite legion, the Mantis Warriors. I was wondering if it would be possible to take the Mantis Warriors with the White Scars chapter tactic, as they are a successor legion. I also have a few specific characters I would like to represent in my army, so does anyone have suggestions for a list incorporating these guys- Khoisan Neotera- Chapter Master Ahazra Redth- Chief Librarian Shaidan- Not sure exactly what this guy is but I loved him in Warrior Brood Sergeant Magdir- Leads a squad of Devastators Sergeant Honir- Leads a squad of Terminators Blader- A Veteran Marine Sergeant Ruinus- Another Devestator squad Aegir- Chaplain Soron- Assault squad Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Shaidan is a Librarian. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4190842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahazra Redth Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Thank you for that. Do you remember what weapons he had? I think it was a mace and a bolter, but I'm not sure. Can a librarian take those? Correction. It was a force staff I was thinking of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4190908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHyperion Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Welcome! It is possible to run the mantis warriors as successors to the white scars, however you would be unable to use the characters and rules for them which forgeworld has provided. Of you havent you should take a look as they are free online ~Sapphon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4190927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahazra Redth Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Really? I didn't even know they had their own chapter tactics. Are they any good? Where can I find them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4190979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/DownloadsBadab Characters V2 and Chapter tactics V2. Technically for the last book, but materially unaffected by the minor changes in the new book. Ahazra Redth has some really neat tweaks (very good special power and warlord trait)The Chapter tactics are Infantry oriented, granting Infantry Mover through cover, Hammer of wrath, and if charging from cover, Furious charge. They also get to reroll Sieze the Initiativehttp://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Downloadshttp://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Forge_World_Space_Marine_Chapter_Tactics_V2.pdfhttp://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Forge_World_Space_Marine_Badab_Characters_V2.pdf (Redth is page 14) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4191089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahazra Redth Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 I didn't even know those existed, but will certainly try it out. I'm still a little bit confused on how I should run Redth though, which is weird because he's my favorite named character in the game. If I take him and an honor guard in a LR and cast Mirage on his unit, would the LR the effects of Mirage? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4191631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Technically for the last book, but materially unaffected by the minor changes in the new book. Except that everyone already has access to Divination, so that's not a bonus any more. If I take him and an honor guard in a LR and cast Mirage on his unit, would the LR the effects of Mirage? Dude, it's the very first sentence : "Mirage is a blessing that targets the psyker, as well as any unit he has joined or vehicle in which he is being transported." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4212822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I completely forgot about the divination change. Yea, that kinda hurts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4213302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwyrm Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 As matter of fact, now that White Scars got some new Formations and a new Detachment, I think it's kinda pointless to use the old Mantis Warriors CT (unfortunately I would add). In fact, using the Stormlance demi-company with Stormbringer squadron, along with a Shadow Force formation (Raven Guard one, but can be used with any CT), it's now possible to field quite a fluffy Mantis Warriors army. Here's a breakdown of my thoughts on this: Scarblade Strikeforce and Stormlance demi-coy Rerolls on Hit-and-run checks - for me, H&R is the quentessential guerrilla Special Rules in 40K. Mantis Warriors are guerilla tactics specialists so for me this is perfect. Mobile Fire base - It's like H&R but in the shooting phase AND you can hop out then inside a dedicated transport too! This is awesome and will make a Mantis Warriors army quite mobile and dynamic to play. Clear and Sweep - probably my favourite Special Rule name in the game! And it's good on the tabletop to booth! So your units don't get Objective Secure like a Battle Demi-coy. Fine by me, if I kill the objective Secure unit in my way, I can't be contested and this SR helps a lot with that! It's like having a Tactical/Devastator doctrine for everyone shooting at objective sitters. Couple that with Mobile Firebase and this means you can shoot down an Objsec unit holding an objective with extreme accuracy and then move in to claim said objective. Nice Synergy if you ask me! Finaly, the bonus on Hammer of Wrath is a bit like their FW Chapter Tactics so I guess that's good too. Stormbringer Squadron Locate and Secure - remember the "no-Objective secure" argument just above? You can mitigate that with this formation! Outrider support - nice bonus though it's quite circumstantial and probably won't save you that often... Rapid Deployment - ... is central in the Mantis Warriors way of war, so this one is great for them! Shadow Force Okay, this is a Raven Guard formation, but since you can use it with any CT, it's all good. For me, this is how I would represent the veterans that survived the brutal conflict of the Tranquility Campaing during the Badab War. I would paint these guys in the old Tranquility camo pattern Since I love it and I think it works well both as a camouflage and badge of honour. As for the rules: Scout Move through Cover Acute Senses All theses matches the mental picture I have of the Tranquility Vets - stealthy powered armoured scouts sniping ennemy officers and launching surprise attack out of nowhere. The units themselves are also perfect for the theme - all Veterans along with a captain (with the Hunter's Eye to make sure the Sternguards can be portrayed as Snipers and Primarch's Wrath to take advantage of the BS bonus) and a Landspeeder for long range scouting. The way I see it, this is good news for Mantis Warriors players! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4213996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahazra Redth Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 I was wondering about how the new formations would affect Mantis Warriors... But the real question is where do my Dreads fit in there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4214007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 But the real question is where do my Dreads fit in there? You could take regular Battle Demi-Companies as one or both of your 1-2 Core choices in a Scarblade Strike Force (competing with the Stormlance Battle Demi-Company and the Hunting Force). Each Battle Demi-Company gives you a 0-1 slot for a unit of Dreadnoughts (regular, Ironclad or Venerable). Strike Force Ultra can also be included in the Scarblade Strike Force. That includes 1 mandatory Venerable Dreadnought. Otherwise you'll need a separate CAD or another Formation that allows them, like the Ravenhawk Assault Group. The new White Scars-themed Formations naturally don't include Dreadnought slots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4214042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahazra Redth Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 I'm thinking I'll take a demi-company and the stormlance demi-company, for fluffiness and to have a dread. Makes sense the new White Scars formations don't have dreads, though, as they never use them. It has something to do with claustrophobia, I think. Thanks for the advice, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4214073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahazra Redth Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 If I'm using Mantis Warriors w/ White Scars CT, I can take WS relics, right? Specifically Banner of the Eagle? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4214075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 If you're using White Scars Chapter Tactics, your army is White Scars for all intents and purposes. The fact you've painted them green makes no difference at all. You won't be able to use the Mantis Warriors special characters in that case though, unless you take another Detachment for them with Mantis Warriors Chapter Tactics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4214077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahazra Redth Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 Yeah, I'm probably just going to go with White Scars CT to be able to build semi-competitively (hopefully) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4214085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 So Raptors can use RG relics and formations, and Mantis warriors can't use WS ones? Can't explain that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4284435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwyrm Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Raptors can't use the RG Relics either, unless Forgeworld has released an update on the Basab War Chapter Tactics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4285516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Since I dont have the book, does it say, white scars and sucessors? Or RG and sucessors? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4285993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 It just says WS and RG respectively, but I remember one of the Raptors players had emailed FW and they said he could use the RG-exclusive formations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4286378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Ah ok my mistake then. I knew I had read it somewhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4286380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFather84 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Actually what the sons of corax and sons of the great khan detachments say is that units must be "drawn from Raven guard/white scars." Technically speaking raptors and mantis warriors are drawn from their respective founding chapters. It doesn't say they have to have those chapter tactics. Though I would like to see that email that was mentioned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314619-mantis-warriors/#findComment-4298972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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