Frater Cornelius Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I will have to admit that my stance towards list-building has changed in recent times. I played some underdog factions like GK and SW as a stand-alone force without allies, expect possibly an Inquisitor, and have been going toe to toe with so called competitive lists you find around the web. Ever since I stopped listening to popular opinions and make my own lists. Where does DA come into this? Well, I have been playing them in 6ed and loved it, but I have seemingly lost them since the new book. Well, I decided to start from scratch and do the old 370pts challenge. Take 370pts in the HQ, Elite, Troops, FA and HS slot, plus-minus 10pts, which will result in a 1850pts. Given that I am fan of Green/Black, here is what I what I will play with. It is not efficient in any way, shape or form, but that is the whole point of this exercise. Use battlefield tactics, not broken combos to win ;) Hidden Content HQ - 370pts Sammy - Corvex IntChappy - Bike, MoR, SoH Elite - 380 Dreadnought - TLHF, Fist + HF, Drop Pod RWCS - 5 dudes, Apothecary Troops - 375 10 Tacs - Plasma, Combi-Plasma, Grav Cannon, Drop Pod 10 Scouts - 10 Snipers, Camo Pants Both units split into combat squads Fast Attack - 365 Nephilim Dark Shroud 5 ASM - 2 Flamers, Drop Pod Heavy Support - 360 10 Devs - 4 LC, Cherub Land Speeder Vengeance - Assault Cannon 1850pts Not sure how this will end, but this is an interesting way to test out some underused units and practice :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Brother, I love this idea! Too long have I suffered people asking "what is the best X?" There is no best. There is no across the board optimal list. When did this game become about who has the best armchair list? Just because something works for Jim Bob doesn't mean it will work for Cleetus. When Cleetus loses, he invariably gets angry at Jim Bob because the list he got off the internet doesn't work for him, even though that was the best list. Jim Bob will then invariably get snarky with Cleetus and call him a "noob". Anger ensues. This exercise is great. Hopefully some people, hopefully new people, will learn about this and start to use it. And maybe we can say "Ni" enough to people who ask "what's the best X?" enough that they'll change their thinking ! Although something tells me that won't happen any time soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Unlikely. People want the easiest way, which rarely involves thinking and mostly involves copying things others did. That is how trends are born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneakybamsen Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Funny exercise. Nice concept. Maybe I should ask the guys I play with to adapt this, just to see how we end up building our lists. Personally I have fielded far more greenwing than deathwing or ravenwing, and more deathwing than ravenwing. Only used bikes once. Still don't like the feel. So I tend to not go for broke on "strongest possible". I don't play lists made purely of scouts and a libby either, but I have fielded scouts on several occasions. Basically it would be a better meta if people went about their listmaking this way, but power tends to corrupt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 Yeah, all those spam and abuse lists are cancer. I think that this is probably the reason I am losing most of the Imperial factions, because it all comes down to spam, something I dislike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve86 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Well i took your challenge and made a list. If you like ill post it for your viewing pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodiger Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I really like this idea! I tried making a couple of lists today, it's an interesting challenge hitting the required number of points in each section. I'm going to try this next game I get. Would Azrael count as a HQ btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 If you are so inclined. You make the rules for your challenge ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Angels Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 to win a game you dont need those pro lists. You just need the power of changing dice-results in important situations by modifying the quantum-reality with your thoughts. It really works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 to win a game you dont need those pro lists. You just need the power of changing dice-results in important situations by modifying the quantum-reality with your thoughts. It really works! Like this guy? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mika_angelus Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Great idea Immersturm, definetly gonna try it with my friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 Well, I am glad that this was so well received :) I already mentioned the training you get out of it. You also get exposed to units you never use. However, one third advantage came to mind. I tried something similar recently. It wasn't an efficient list. And the two least likely models in the army, something I rarely take, created such a great story, that I will not sell them (those are test models), but make a diorama with them and gift it to my FLGS. Hyper efficient lists rarely tell engaging stories. Fun lists have plenty of opportunity of it happening. So yeah, the story of Big Bob and Lil' Jim coming up soon ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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