Vorenus Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 All right, I'm kind of annoyed by this, but at the same time I am kind of excited. In case you haven't seen it, Black Library's website says that they are launching a one-year book series (one book per month) about THE BEAST ARISES, the war against the Orks in the 32nd Millenium. http://www.blacklibrary.com/the-beast-arises.html What kind of annoys me is that I am on book 28 of the Horus Heresy and I am hoping that they will someday finish that series, and by someday I mean within the next couple of years please, so I can read it before I die (hey, you never know). But I am kind of excited because I would like to read more books set in the time between the HH and the 41st Millenium. And I am also kind of excited because the first book in the series is entitled I AM SLAUGHTER and it happens to be written by Dan Abnett, my favorite BL author. So, yeah, I'm deeply conflicted about all of this. What are y'all's thoughts? v/r --Vorenus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 This happens 1500 yrs after the HH...so after the 1st Black Crusade I'm presuming Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4191234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half Goat Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Orks again....honestly sick of reading about them. It's armageddon all over again. If the HH gets tied up soon, I want to read about the scouring. I think BL have touched upon this with ADBs work with Abaddon which has some overlap. But there is a much richer tapestry there that I'm sure we would all like to see explored. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4191371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 1) That's not 'Warmaster' - then you say Abnett, i think of Gaunt Ghosts, Eisenhorn and Double Eagle and not about some orcs. Disappointment. 2) SM vs Orcs - HM, I HAVE SEEN THIS SOMEWHERE? OOOOOHH - WAIT - ARMAGEDDON? 3) Orcs with a deathstar - after the stolen stupid scene from Avatar in deathfire I expect to see Darth Vader character in the Beast Arises. 4) Beast Arises - not interested, give me a new HH NOVEL please instead of this Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4191703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 This happens 1500 yrs after the HH...so after the 1st Black Crusade I'm presuming should be ~50 years before the 2nd Black Crusade so yeah Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4191718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I can't help but be excited by this! I like the potential narrative arc and set of authors - so should be a good series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4191811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Well the Orks are on the rise late so very cool about an early setting. Will look forward to this since heresy is still stalled and stale. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4191961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 FINALLY I have been waiting for this kind of fluff. Ever since I read the little blurb about the beast I always wanted to know more about the events here. A whole years worth of books is fun, and they set a limit on how many there will be so we at least know. Plus, I am a Raven guard and mechanicus fanboy and there hasn't been that many novels about them yet... Basically, I hope this is more of a rynns world or Helsreach kind of story. Great combat against a limitless enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4192104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranwulf Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 This is nice. If gives BL more incentive to make interconnected books from diferente authors and therefore creating an interesting series, I am all for it. Biggest problem? Orks. One of the main reasons why people are so into the HH series is due to how the 'villains' are portrayed. ADB for instance gave Angron, of ALL primarchs, a great deal of depth. Lorgar is tragic because of his desire for the truth and the communion with greater powers. So chances are, we will only get that part from the Astartes...IF that. We don't really know how much will they invest in that part of the story. There is one possibility that since the Beast is the MOST powerful Ork that ever tread the stars, then there is a great chance that he is far more than a simple minded creature of instinct. Ghazkull was, after all, the Prophet of Gork and Mork, and even Kaptn Bludflagg had capable of thinking strategically (with humor and love for hats). Ran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4192130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 The Ork that almost killed the Emperor, as seen in The Wolf of Ash and Fire, was far more and beyond any Ork we have ever seen so far. And that was a lesser boss of the Ullanor Orks. Their main Warboss is never seen, only that Horus killed it, it and its retinue nearly slaughtered the Justaerin to a man, three powerful Legions were needed just for the one system, and the victory was seen as the greatest achievement of the Great Crusade. And the Beast was an even greater threat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4192138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorenus Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 I agree with Tiger9Gamer that one of the best things about this series I have seen so far is that we know going into it that there will be only 12 books. I can stomach that, my wallet can survive it. I am already on book 28 of the HORUS HERESY, I already bought books 29 and 30--and there is NO END IN SIGHT. (I am reading lots of other stuff, too, by the way, so don't judge please if it takes me a couple of months to get to book 29...I read a lot, but I don't always read books from the same series back to back.) I am enjoying the HH series, but I would like to know that there is an end, a "light at the end of the tunnel," etc.--and that it will happen within (a) my lifetime, (b) the lifetimes of the current HH authors (please, Black Library, please don't just start adding new authors to pad out the series! I am really concerned this might happen), and © the series will maintain its quality and not just sort of fall apart like the Star Wars expanded universe did after a few years. (In my opinion. I know others may have a different opinion on that. I did really like the Timothy Zahn books, though. Still great reads after all these years.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4192139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Antipodes Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 things I'm looking forward to in this series: It is finite, with (from what I've read elsewhere) most novels already in the drawer. So no drag out or delays. The promise of a large chunk of Imperial history detailed, including the fate of many Chapters (if they follow the existing fluff) The chance of finally seeing a decent portrayal of Orks beyond the "ere we go" cartoon caricature, and That it sells well so that BL are encouraged to do similar for other important periods and/or incidents. With a beginning, middle and end sorted they can return anytime an author feels the need to expand on a character or incident without the overall story slipping into a never ending saga. One can only hope. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4192180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Are any loyalist primarchs still around the time of the Beast? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4192695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 The best part about this is the definitive release date of all 12 books being done in a year. The HH should have been done the same. Then I believe readers would have been a lot happier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4193419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 I hope we A) get a mechanicus centered book for this, and B) They release a mission pack for some of the most important missions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4193444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorenus Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 I like the idea of a mission pack, that would be pretty cool. However, do you think it would be easy to differentiate between the campaign setting they had recently that was Blood Angels vs. Orks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4193783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 The best part about this is the definitive release date of all 12 books being done in a year. The HH should have been done the same. Then I believe readers would have been a lot happier. I think what this comes down to is that The Beast Arises is a far shorter, more contained storyline. It may very well be a dynamic, exciting tale, but it will ultimately be a footnote in the annals of the Imperium. The Horus Heresy, on the other hand, is as big as it gets. Could it have benefited from a long-term planning approach, defining the overarching storyline, and working to ensure specific release dates? Yeah... but, on the other hand, you have to remember that with a story of such grand scale, it is inevitable that better ideas will arise over time. Had the authors of the series not been given the opportunity to experiment with the storyline and introduce new concepts over time, you would have almost certainly been denied some of the best entries - such as Legion and Betrayer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4193804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 The best part about this is the definitive release date of all 12 books being done in a year. The HH should have been done the same. Then I believe readers would have been a lot happier. I think what this comes down to is that The Beast Arises is a far shorter, more contained storyline. It may very well be a dynamic, exciting tale, but it will ultimately be a footnote in the annals of the Imperium. The Horus Heresy, on the other hand, is as big as it gets. Could it have benefited from a long-term planning approach, defining the overarching storyline, and working to ensure specific release dates? Yeah... but, on the other hand, you have to remember that with a story of such grand scale, it is inevitable that better ideas will arise over time. Had the authors of the series not been given the opportunity to experiment with the storyline and introduce new concepts over time, you would have almost certainly been denied some of the best entries - such as Legion and Betrayer. I think the Horus Heresy is big in the minds of the fanbase but not the Imperium honestly, it's what got the ball rolling but ultimately it's just the first in a circle of rises and falls. The beast seems at least as much of a big deal, he nearly accomplishes galactic conquest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4193808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Let's agree to disagree. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4193810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Let's agree to disagree. I despise the entire concept of agreeing to disagree, but sure. :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4193824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I love experimentation by the good HH authours...not by the bad ones, whom I shall not name Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4193830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I love experimentation by the good HH authours...not by the bad ones, whom I shall not name Don't tell anyone, but I really don't like the work of.... C.S Goto Scandalous, I know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4193846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviox Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Are any loyalist primarchs still around the time of the Beast? I don't think so. Only loyalist primarchs that come close are Rogal Dorn (presumably died during 1st black crusade 781.M31 but there seems to be conflicting information) and Vulkan (he left some time after the heresy but I don't think it has been disclosed when exactly). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4193918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 ADB said someone already has dibs on Dorn's death. So that will be answered eventually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4194119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 This series gets 12 novels in one year and the HH is lucky to get one novel.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/#findComment-4194233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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