HeritorA Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 As folks suggest, HeritorA - there's reasons that are plausible, just none that are explicitly (or even implicitly) mentioned or discussed in the novels, that I can recall. Some candidates are: - it's absent (warp travel, innit? Maybe it's been in transit for a while, but not so long anyone's worried it is Lost in the Warp). - it's ruined and wrecked around Armatura, just like the rest of the IF fleet. not the second - cause it would have been mentioned for sure! Lost in the Warp for YEARS? And nobody of all the successors even mentioned it? Nothing plausible here Yes, there are ships that can be lost in the warp for years. There can even be ships that aren't lost that take far longer than other ships to get there. The point is - even in that case someone (like from thousands of successors to IFs marines) should have mentioned it - even in passing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Annandale on Twitter isn't sure, said probably elsewhere. Maybe it's around Inwit, I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Three novels = ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ As said: I'm not especially surprised (nor at all upset!), it's just one of the more glaring wobbles of the series, especially given how neat it is so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Is the next book in the series due out soon? I'm getting withdrawals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 This Saturday it seems with Shrike - oh definitely the next one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Just finished The Last Son of Dorn. There are six Beasts. One for each of the main Ork clans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Sigismund was a Maniac ahahahahahahahahahhH. Do I need to stab a witch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Assist Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Those last two posts made me go 'that's it, I'm done with the series' to '....whaaaaat?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I enjoyed this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sothalor Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Finally got around to reading this series, up to The Beast Must Die. I'm kind of... mixed? On the one hand, I appreciate the attempt to fill in some historical backstory, setting it at an interesting transitional phase in the Imperium's life. I enjoy the glimpse at the politicking between the High Lords. It's got some interesting ideas and characters. It's got a punchy, fast pace. Maybe too fast paced. And that leads me to things I'm not enjoying so much. The blistering pace just seems a little too fast for me, especially when dealing with things that by all rights should have felt epic, mythic even. Stuff like one of the Primarchs still being around, the near-extinction of the Imperial Fists, even the cultural shift of the Orks themselves. It's all just... brought up and then chop chop, quick onto the next scene. I think the series could have benefited from having more room to breathe, from exploring more of the Imperium post-Heresy, post-Scouring, still complacent in its security and comfortable in its ways. It also doesn't help that I keep wanting to hurl my e-reader across the room at the stupidity of the Imperium's military response. I know, I know: institutional stupidity is the Imperium's thing, I get that. Or maybe it's not so much stupidity as scale. For something that's supposed to be a galactic threat, on the verge of bringing Terra itself to its knees... where's the response? Where's the Phalanx, for example? Where's the rest of the Navy? Where are all the Successor Chapters? Why aren't they throwing cyclonic torpedoes against the moons until something gets through? I mean, I get it. At some point you don't ask "why aren't they going about this smarter?" because the response is "mother , do you want a 40K story or not?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Sigismund was a Maniac ahahahahahahahahahhH. Do I need to stab a witch? Okay, that needs to be explained in greater detail for me, and probably a few more peeps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Damn it, the Six Beasts twist and the mere mention of my First Captain mean I'll have to catch up (I read the first couple, and then started getting my info from this thread.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 It's just a conversation between 2 inquisitors about Sigismund and the Black Templars. Maniac and lunatics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 We're gonna need more than that, Sete. :P At this point, Sigismund has been dead for quite some time. I'd be interested to hear more about this conversation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 'Sigismund was a maniac. Even the Sigillite was overheard saying so. His successors are almost worse, striving to preserve a philosophy they lack the wit to inherit or the skill to prosecute.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reldn Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Out of curiosity, has there been any further mention of the Fists Exemplar becoming the Imperial Fists nonsense? Or has that thankfully been proven false? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 'Sigismund was a maniac. Even the Sigillite was overheard saying so. His successors are almost worse, striving to preserve a philosophy they lack the wit to inherit or the skill to prosecute.' I genuinely don't understand this as during the heresy he has shown nothing of the sort to even indicate this so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH79 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Just wondering re the mention of there being 6 Beasts ... does this include the chap who faced Vulkan at the end of 'The Beast Must Die' or was he in fact killed, along with Vulkan? I ask as the ending to Book 8 i found very ambiguous in the way everything happened and i personally placed both Beast and Primarch on equal footing after Vulkan opened himself to a much needed last min power up. Neither were shown to die but one we presumed lived due to how Book 8 ended... but now there is the strong possibility that Vulkan actually did succeed if there are multiple Beasts ... just need some clarification on who's who re the big green uglies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Out of curiosity, has there been any further mention of the Fists Exemplar becoming the Imperial Fists nonsense? Or has that thankfully been proven false? Oh oh oh it's gonna happen. And he survived Vulkan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Okay that point 6 beasts - who is the head, who are the arms, who is the body and who are the legs? Orc Voltron unite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dougal Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Okay, so you know I'm staring to think that the authors are reading this forum and writing the book right afterwards to match us or something. Book 9 comes out, people ask 'where are the Grey Knights, why only Big 5 chapters in the Deathwatch?' Book 10 comes out, boom, explains the Grey Knights. Brings a whole bunch of new chapters into the Watch. It's almost suspicious. Book 10 is definitely higher up in the ranking of this series. At least in my opinion. Waiting for the next book is gonna be hard after that ending. Oh. And on a final note, I think I'm starting to see it. The shape of the final book. Vangorich.... Is this the final straw? (How do you add a spoiler tag again?!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 You should probably ask that before you write the rest of your post ;) It is [ spoiler ] text [ /spoiler ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Okay, so you know I'm staring to think that the authors are reading this forum and writing the book right afterwards to match us or something. Book 9 comes out, people ask 'where are the Grey Knights, why only Big 5 chapters in the Deathwatch?' Book 10 comes out, boom, explains the Grey Knights. Brings a whole bunch of new chapters into the Watch. It's almost suspicious. Book 10 is definitely higher up in the ranking of this series. At least in my opinion. Waiting for the next book is gonna be hard after that ending. Oh. And on a final note, I think I'm starting to see it. The shape of the final book. Vangorich.... Is this the final straw? (How do you add a spoiler tag again?!) Exactly - in place of Vangorich I would have killed everyone in Imperial palace except for Custodes and Empra by the beginning of book 4, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sothalor Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Okay, so you know I'm staring to think that the authors are reading this forum and writing the book right afterwards to match us or something. Book 9 comes out, people ask 'where are the Grey Knights, why only Big 5 chapters in the Deathwatch?' Book 10 comes out, boom, explains the Grey Knights. Brings a whole bunch of new chapters into the Watch. It's almost suspicious. Book 10 is definitely higher up in the ranking of this series. At least in my opinion. Waiting for the next book is gonna be hard after that ending. Oh. And on a final note, I think I'm starting to see it. The shape of the final book. Vangorich.... Is this the final straw? (How do you add a spoiler tag again?!) No, according to some of the authors that frequent these forums, this series was planned and written years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Not quite true. It was started years ago, with the first few being on ice for ages while management and policy changes were afoot at GW/BL. The bulk of the series was written fairly recently, with some work on the last few novels only having been done this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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