Morovir Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Personally, I quite liked Vulkan's role in the series, as I think it shows the grim reality to the Imperium that the heroes of the past can no longer help them, and shows them that they have to adapt in order to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I think it's not so much that the heroes of the past can't help. I think it's more like showing the Imperium has completely changed and isn't the unified force it once was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I think it's not so much that the heroes of the past can't help. I think it's more like showing the Imperium has completely changed and isn't the unified force it once was. That still leaving holes like Phalanx/, cyclonic/asteroids/life eater bombardment unnatended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Wouldn't be a very interesting story if they just "oh dear. Fire the life eater!" and went home in victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Black Library sent out a pretty great newsletter tonight, though it is full of spoilers. It is supposedly in-universe "news" about the Beast's defeat and what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Wouldn't be a very interesting story if they just "oh dear. Fire the life eater!" and went home in victory Well, remember that the planet had underground bunkers and stuff that was probably atmospheric pressurized. So maybe the orks would have been hit with the life eater on the surface and killed like 30 million or more, but in the cities there still would have been another billion or so. Then the imperium would have to go down and fight anyways soooo... i dunno. Black Library sent out a pretty great newsletter tonight, though it is full of spoilers. It is supposedly in-universe "news" about the Beast's defeat and what not. Also, link please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 newsletter images linked below. I too had a good chuckle at it, tbh I wouldn't be opposed to having something similar to this every month or so detailing some events that are occurring in recent novel releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Difficult to just link to the email since its a sectioned image thingy. Had to photoshop the pieces together: http://i.imgur.com/2lFXTBF.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drooling blood Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Sanders is a dull as dish water. I wanted to strangle myself on his pointy sharp spikes hanging from the wall in Archeron. Then two paragraphs later, redescribe them Terminus this, terminus that Terminus me please. Instead of the third attack. They couldve had a novel about the Primork kicking some mega nobz across a district. Oi humiez lik stikz. Pik dem stikz up, pointem atem an telem ta surrendaz. The story of 2 brave Orkz. Hoping to escape with their lives. Who had to turn up on a enemy planet and cross the language barrier and deliver a message. UP YORZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 You know, one other thing I realized that is in this series that made me quite pleased is the rising number of mechanicus units and involvement. Kubrik becomes a major player and the Beast must Die showed off some really cool units that were fairly imaginative. Knights stomping around, titans blasting the city, a friggen ordinatus! it was a pretty epic showing for one of GW's newest factions. The only time I felt they weren't shown as awesome was in david annadale's books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Don't forget that tri-legged Punisher Titan, whatever it looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 i've cleared my schedule tomorrow to enjoy the ending to the series can't wait to see lord vetinari deal with the other high lords, and subsequent beheading also hope we see more about the splitting of the inquisition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Just finished The Beheading. It answers pretty much all of the questions unanswered from the previous books: The Phalanx was deliberately hidden between deep space between Venus and Earth, as 'its own mass would have proved its own worst enemy when confronted with the gravity lashes of the orks', with Koorland refusing to use it due to the risk, which Thane took.Veritus is revealed to be one of the four founders of the Inquisition, Kyril Sindermann, who was there when the Emperor killed Horus, which explains how he knows so much ancient and hidden knowledge.The Fists Exemplar are expunged from history for being the first chapter since the Heresy to fall to Chaos. Any other questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 What. The. Hell. The first point seems like a big, late hindsight justification to me. I'd have bought it if it had been mentioned somewhere in the first half-dozen of books.. The second point is mindboggling. That's such a big shift in character, I didn't expect that. At all. Point three makes sense, though I have to ask: Is there enough on that plotline in the book to actually make it believable? So far, it was relatively mild misguidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 About Point 3: I would say so. Bohemond hunts down Zerberyn and Kalkator, and when Zerberyn defends him and tries to bargain for Kalkator's life, Bohemond attacks them, and Zerberyn eventually sides with Kalkator and kills Bohemond. Twenty-two Fists Exemplar remain loyal and bring word of this to Thane, who absorbs the survivors into the Imperial Fists and orders the chapter expunged from history. Zerberyn, Honorius, Reoch and the rest of the Exemplars swear loyalty to Kalkator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Honorius too? It looked to me like he was one of the Exemplars under Zerberyn who had reservations. But then he was also completely glanced over during Shadow of Ullanor, with Zerberyn even lamenting the lack of librarians among them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Just finished The Beheading. It answers pretty much all of the questions unanswered from the previous books: The Phalanx was deliberately hidden between deep space between Venus and Earth, as 'its own mass would have proved its own worst enemy when confronted with the gravity lashes of the orks', with Koorland refusing to use it due to the risk, which Thane took. Veritus is revealed to be one of the four founders of the Inquisition, Kyril Sindermann, who was there when the Emperor killed Horus, which explains how he knows so much ancient and hidden knowledge. The Fists Exemplar are expunged from history for being the first chapter since the Heresy to fall to Chaos. Any other questions? .....wow. Point 2 is a corker! Is it stated he was on the VS at the BoT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Just finished The Beheading. It answers pretty much all of the questions unanswered from the previous books: The Phalanx was deliberately hidden between deep space between Venus and Earth, as 'its own mass would have proved its own worst enemy when confronted with the gravity lashes of the orks', with Koorland refusing to use it due to the risk, which Thane took. Veritus is revealed to be one of the four founders of the Inquisition, Kyril Sindermann, who was there when the Emperor killed Horus, which explains how he knows so much ancient and hidden knowledge. The Fists Exemplar are expunged from history for being the first chapter since the Heresy to fall to Chaos. Any other questions? Ah :cuss opened the spoiler distracted xDOh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 It says that he 'was there the day the Emperor slew Horus'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Hmmm. I wonder if he'll end up on the VS. Last time he was seen during the HH was with Garro when Garro went searching for Keeler on Terra. I also wonder if there's another force on board the VS when the Emps, Dorn, Sanguinius and the Custodes/BA/IF teleport aboard, possibly sent by Malcador again to make sure things get done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Adats Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Deleted as I can't get spoiler tags to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 It says that he 'was there the day the Emperor slew Horus'. Ha nice allusion to Horus Rising! Also Janus! And Keeler is mentioned. And Kyril dies with the stigmata - 'As she pulled free from the dead man, she saw an open, bloodless wound in his palm.' It's explained in the plot but the religious symbolism is certainly there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 I know some of the complaints (certainly some that I had) were of...let's say, the lack of diversity in the attack of Ullanor. I loved Haley's direct jab at that: "Thank you. This crisis could have been resolved so much earlier were it not for the fragmented nature of Imperial governance. There are billions of men under arms in the Imperium, hundreds of thousands of Space Marines. Titan Legios. War fleets. Where were they all? Scattered. Leaderless, misdirected to the ends of personal interest and agenda so that when a real crisis arose they were attacked and eliminated in isolation. Under less ineffectual direction, the Beast’s rise would never have occurred. How many times did we make the same mistakes? Three direct assaults on Ullanor. I’m no tactician, but tell me that was wise.’ " hey, BL, direct your storylines better, you 'ineffectual' leaders. Hah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 So as for Janus. The description seems to match Garro reasonably well at this stage, though we won't know what the future holds for him yet. It might all just be a big diversion: Beyond the door stood a Space Marine unlike any other she had ever met. He was ageless in the way of the Adeptus Astartes, but carried an air of great venerability that outmatched even that of Veritus. His face was leathery, tanned by the light of myriad suns, and wrinkled with fine lines. The skin was folded with age over his eyes, one of which had a pronounced squint – the mark of an old injury, perhaps – and his forehead was a mass of long-service studs. In the deadly cold he was barefoot and wore simple robes. Plumes of steam blew from his nostrils with each steady breath. Despite his great age he was tall and proud, his physiology distorted by his enhancement, neural plugs glinting in the grotesque musculature of his arms, but it was his psychic potency that took her aback. Wienand was no psyker, although many inquisitors were, but still she could feel his power emanating from his eyes. A nimbus of light from some internal source shone around his head. Wienand was overwhelmed by a sense of the holy; this was a warrior saint. She was one step from the Emperor Himself, and she fought the urge to prostrate herself before him. Garro has always been shown with three service studs (although Loken too has three on Legion of One's cover), and Garro's "air of great venerability" is something that was shown on his first artwork from Collected Visions as well. He also always tended to have lots of wrinkles and lines on his face. There's also a lot of scar tissue, and some of them seem to mark his eyes. There is no mention of hair in Janus's description, though we can't tell if it is just omitted or actually absent. We also know that neither Garro nor Loken have shown active psychic abilities so far, and even latent psychic powers are contested. We do not know however what enhancements they might have undergone on Titan to become grand masters though, with gene-seed to be said to come from the Emperor in some capacity. In fact, Pandorax stated that Epimetheus's gene-seed (Dark Angels) got removed from his body and replaced by the Grey Knights seed. There is also Mortarion's reaction to Janus being mentioned, in Mortarion's Heart: MORTARION (snorting): \\Oh, noble and mighty Janus! Noble, mighty, steadfast, pious and honourable Janus–//DRAIGO (helmet-vox): Do not speak his name. You are unworthy. Janus was the frst of us to stand against the forces of Chaos, and the greatest. The primarch still rippled with mirth, but shot through now with a flicker of agitation.MORTARION: \\I am unworthy? I spit on the name of “Janus”. You are more like him than you could ever know...// MORTARION (low, conspiratorial): \\But of course, I doubt even the archives of Titan would contain the original identities of the Sigillite’s... errant angels. Names. Power. It works both ways. Guarded. Hidden. [pause] The truth of Janus’s past would shake your pitiful Chapter to its very foundations. Of that, you can be certain. Treachery, cowardice... heresy, and a brother who would willingly betray his own for the sake of some half-imagined redemption.// MORTARION: \\As I told your master before I cut him down – you have all been deceived.// Veritus would probably be closer with Loken than Garro, longer history and all that, but he did flee aboard the Eisenstein and probably crossed paths with Garro more often later on. There is also some commentary on something else from the Horus Heresy: The Cabal, and Eldrad's involvement with it. I wonder how these things about him will play into future plotlines of 40k, post-Deathmasque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja6fett Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Just finished The Beheading. It answers pretty much all of the questions unanswered from the previous books: Any other questions? As to point number 2..... Does he die? Cause that'd be a bummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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