Helias_Tancred Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Subject says it all. For a while I've been spreading out a layer of Elmers glue on the surface of the base and then sprinkling a layer of Citadel Basing sand on top. I wait for it to dry and then start the layering paint job. Only problem is the glue sorta .... sucks because too much, IMO, sand comes off as I'm painting on it. Now mind you I'm going delicately, etc etc. Anyone have better experience at this with a different sort of glue? Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314721-best-glue-to-use-for-sand-on-base/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 You're almost there, Brother! Spread out some PVA glue (Elmer's) on the base and place the sand. Then, water down the white glue 50/50 and seal the sand you've just laid down. Wait for the first layer to dry before doing this. After that, some sand will still come off but not to the effect you're seeing now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314721-best-glue-to-use-for-sand-on-base/#findComment-4193198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helias_Tancred Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 Do you use the 50/50 water/glue sealer in a spray or just brush it on over the sand? Thank you Brother. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314721-best-glue-to-use-for-sand-on-base/#findComment-4193461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 I brush it. Lightly, of course ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314721-best-glue-to-use-for-sand-on-base/#findComment-4193471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurth Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Or you could skip both the glue and sand altogether and buy yourself a tube of textured acrylic gel at an arts supplies store. Apply to the model’s base with a spatula, wait for it to dry, and apply paint — it’ll look much the same as coarse sand glued to a base and painted, with a lot less hassle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314721-best-glue-to-use-for-sand-on-base/#findComment-4193520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 PVA with a touch of water in the mix and slapped into the top of the base. Then rather than sprinkle I dip the models base into a bag or box of sand. Let it dry and then get PVA and water it down to 50:50. Load an old brush up with the PVA/water mix and lightly dab on the top of the sand so capillary action moves the liquid down through the layers. If you apply enough of the PVA/water mix minimal sand will come off if any. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314721-best-glue-to-use-for-sand-on-base/#findComment-4193696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Just remembered when I did a huge batch of models (300+ guard). If you have a warm radiator and a few hours do it in one huge batch. By the time you're through gluing. The sand on the first lot will be dry and you can then slap on the watered down stuff. I found if you gave it a double wash with the watered down PVA, nothing will move and you can be brutal with the drybrushing. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314721-best-glue-to-use-for-sand-on-base/#findComment-4194345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 That's answered my question - I could never understand why my attempts at using sand/gravel for basing failed! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314721-best-glue-to-use-for-sand-on-base/#findComment-4194387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Discord Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Short Answer: White glue is inferior. Acrylic Adhesive is superior in every way. Long Answer: I highly recommend finding an acrylic adhesive such as Perfect Paper Adhesive over just 'white' glue. Don't let the name fool you, it's great for much more than just paper. Since it's acrylic it dries waterproof so it won't soften when you paint it with watered-down paint to get the job done. It shrinks and bonds very tight; where white glue might peel away, this stuff sticks fast. And, it dries with a nice flat matt finish that's perfect for painting. Oh, it holds sand, flock, and grit, very well, so you basing shouldn't rub or chip free during use. It even works well as a base for home made washes and a varnish in a pinch. One bottle will last for years. I get mine at my local Michales store (an arts and crafting store in Canada) but the internet is the great equalizer if you can't find it locally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314721-best-glue-to-use-for-sand-on-base/#findComment-4194516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Just realised when SD mentioned the glue I use wood glue which I refer to as PVA which is not the water soluble kids craft PVA. There's a big difference between the two. Good call there SD!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314721-best-glue-to-use-for-sand-on-base/#findComment-4195228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodusXIII Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I mostly use thinned wood glue, as the others have mentioned. I only use white glue when basing with snow effects. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314721-best-glue-to-use-for-sand-on-base/#findComment-4195435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I use Elmers as well. After doing the glue, I set the base in an old blister pack and BURY it in sand. Let it sit overnight, then take it out and tap it off. Several flicks of a finger on the side and all the loose sand is back in the tray. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314721-best-glue-to-use-for-sand-on-base/#findComment-4196833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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