TennisBall Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 The abilities they have, their size, colouring etc, is so different that you have to wonder how they could all come from the same father. Nothing is ever mentioned of female genes so I assume they were created using some cloning process and a lot of other stuff. Where do Sanguinus' wings come from for instance? Did the emperor have the ability to do everything his sons could like fly? Did the emperor give his sons specific abilities or were their abilities random? A number of them could essentially become invisible, one is a perpetual - more perhaps as only one was really tested in that regard. So do you think the emperor was working to a plan when he created them or that he came up with a plan after he created them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Deliverance Lost certainly implies that the Emperor experimented with his sons, imparting certain traits in each one of them. Beyond that, it would appear that the Warp played a hand in how many of them were shaped. Finally, don't discount individual experiences in their adopted homeworlds and beyond. Leman Russ, for instance, is hinted as having had wolf-like/canine genes engineered into his being. Konrad Curze fell on a world that never saw the light of the sun. His pigmentation (and eye coloring, I believe) is a result of being brought up in that environment. Sanguinius' wings may have been engineered by the Emperor, but there's a good chance it's the Warp at play. Mortarion's pallid, deathly appearance is a direct result of the toxic conditions on Barbarus. Magnus looks the way he does because of sorcerous experimentation or perhaps just master of his native psyker powers; his dealings with the Ruinous Powers (specifically, the loss of one of his eyes). Vulkan looks the way he does due to the environment of Nocturne - the planet he landed on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 What does Vulkan look like? I understood the Salamanders of 40K to have black skin due to a malfunctioning gland that regulates pigment. He could be blue eyed and blond for all I know but I haven't kept up to date with the newer stuff which is hidden in short stories, exclusives and audio stories. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 What does Vulkan look like? I understood the Salamanders of 40K to have black skin due to a malfunctioning gland that regulates pigment. He could be blue eyed and blond for all I know but I haven't kept up to date with the newer stuff which is hidden in short stories, exclusives and audio stories. Black skin red eyes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Shaved head Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 What does Vulkan look like? Black skin red eyes. Where does it say this? Also I thought the look of the Salamanders was a defect so why would the primarch have that look? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Have you seen FWs models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 What does Vulkan look like?Black skin red eyes.Where does it say this?Also I thought the look of the Salamanders was a defect so why would the primarch have that look? Because he grew up on nocturne. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 What does Vulkan look like?Black skin red eyes. Where does it say this?Also I thought the look of the Salamanders was a defect so why would the primarch have that look? Because he grew up on nocturne. Natives of Nocturne have dark skin, not black skin with red eyes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Yeah I always thought the fluff was that their genetic structure reacted with Nocturne's peculiar radiation to create obsidian skin-pigment and red eyes. Basically meaning that only those with Salamander geneseed who were raised on Nocturne Would have the black skin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal of manders Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 with regards to vulkan, the appearance of Salamanders marines is said to be the result of both the environment of their homeworld and the genes of their primarch. Vulkan was subjected to the same environmental factors (i.e. the radiation on Nocturne), and Vulkan obviously carries the genes of the primarch of the Salamanders given that he IS the primarch of the Salamanders. There's no mention of a 'degradation in the geneseed', at least not to MY knowledge, so it's simple logic that he would have the same physical anomalies (i.e. the red eyes and coal black skin) that are common to both the chapter and their namesake legion. Just to be clear, by "no degradation" I mean that whatever defects may exist in their genesed are not new, meaning that their primarch would have also had those defects. both the cover art on some of the horus heresy novels and the paint scheme on the forgeworld models depict vulcan as coal black skinned with red eyes. That may not have been how sallies were painted before, but it's how they are now, and GW has been consistent about it, so I'd say that makes it cannon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Here's the entry from Massacre for clarification: http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/mv8830/Screen%20Shot%202015-10-10%20at%209.57.27%20PM_zpsplv8hz7g.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Lacerus Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I believe the humans of Nocturne have different skin tones, including white, depending where on the planet they are located. It is the implants of a space marine and their reaction to Nocturnes environment that turns their skin black and makes them have glowing red eyes. Vulkan very well may have had fair skin, blonde hair and blue eyes, but the environment changed his appearance. Also note that a Salamanders skin in literally the color black, not our interpretation of a black/African human. It isn't a "defect" of one of their implants. It is just that the environment forces their implants to react in that manner. Edit: Got semi ninja'd Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 What does Vulkan look like?Black skin red eyes.Where does it say this?Also I thought the look of the Salamanders was a defect so why would the primarch have that look?Because he grew up on nocturne.Natives of Nocturne have dark skin, not black skin with red eyes. Which means nothing in relation to Vulkan. He is from another planet ( Terra) he just grew up on nocturne. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 Here's the entry from Massacre for clarification: http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/mv8830/Screen%20Shot%202015-10-10%20at%209.57.27%20PM_zpsplv8hz7g.png Thanks for that. So where does that leave the perpetual part - luck? It also seems that the Salamanders can also have white, pink and grey skin. Those are the colours of granite. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 My guess is that the designers and writers were going for the grey hues often associated with granite rock. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 The abilities they have, their size, colouring etc, is so different that you have to wonder how they could all come from the same father. Nothing is ever mentioned of female genes so I assume they were created using some cloning process and a lot of other stuff. Where do Sanguinus' wings come from for instance? Did the emperor have the ability to do everything his sons could like fly? Did the emperor give his sons specific abilities or were their abilities random? A number of them could essentially become invisible, one is a perpetual - more perhaps as only one was really tested in that regard. So do you think the emperor was working to a plan when he created them or that he came up with a plan after he created them? The Wings are implied IIRC to be a result of radiation, similar to Vulkans abyss black skin and red eyes. It is obvious that the Emperor made his sons different, just look at the natures of the Legions and their Primarchs. Why he did this though I can only presume was to cover different types of conflict and events. After all they were created to be the Speartip for the GC, so he definitely had a plan in their creation ofc things changed when they were teleported away by the Chaos Gods. Hell If that event did not happen, Things would have been completely different in the Universe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Where do Sanguinus' wings come from for instance?Did the emperor have the ability to do everything his sons could like fly? Did the emperor give his sons specific abilities or were their abilities random? The Emperor did intend the Primarchs to have certain special abilities, but the more striking traits of the Primarchs were the result of Chaos meddling with the stolen incubator capsules. "According to legend the Emperor created the Primarchs from artificially engineered genes, carefully imbuing each of them with unique superhuman powers. It took many hundreds of years to collect and refine the mutant genes needed to produce the Primarchs. When all was ready the genetic matrixes were placed within twenty incubator capsules. Legend goes on to tell how the Dark Gods of Chaos spirited away the Primarchs within their incubator capsules, scattering them widely throughout the warp. More than one of the capsules was breached whilst it drifted through warp space. The forces of the warp leaked in wreaking havoc in the developing genetic material inside the capsule. Undoubtedly damage was done, although the nature of that damage would only become apparent during the Horus Heresy." - 2nd Edition Codex Ultramarines, p. 11 "It happened that after the Emperor created the Primarchs, the infants were stolen from the chamber in which they lay. The forces of Chaos made off with the infants and carried them through the warp. Unable to destroy the infants because of the powerful protections laid on them by the Emperor, the daemonic powers of the warp nonetheless did their best to alter and mould the Emperor's work to their own evil ends. Thus it was that even the best of the Emperor's creations became corrupted at the outset. The pod of the infant Sanguinius came to rest upon the surface of Baal Secundus, at the place now known as Angel's Fall. The infant Primarch was found by one of the wandering tribes of humans who called themselves the Folk of Pure Blood, or simply the Blood. The young Sanguinius's life almost came to an end then and there, for the touch of Chaos had changed him. Tiny vestigial wings, like those of an angel, emerged from his back. Many wanted to kill the child as a mutant, while others wanted to spare the boy, for in all other ways he was as perfect a child as had ever been seen. Eventually common humanity prevailed and the child was spared." - 2nd Edition Codex Angels of Death, p. 18 The latter passage is also included in the 7th Edition Codex Blood Angels, under 'The Coming of Sanguinius'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4193978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Imagine Samuel L Jackson with even darker skin and red eyes. There's your Vulkan. "I'VE HAD IT, WITH THESE KHORNE WORSHIPPING HERETICS, ON THIS GOD DAMN SPACE HULK" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4194001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 More like Michael Clarke-Duncan. "I am a peaceful man, but I can also crush your skull between my thighs like the egg of a finch." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4194717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyMonkey Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I imagined Laurence Fishburne because of a sort of sophistication and a sense of idealistic dreaming (perhaps coming from his role as Morpheus in The Matrix) that was behind his more martial aspects Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314746-why-are-the-primarchs-so-different/#findComment-4195267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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