Lord Blackwood Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 So This is what ive got after my initial buy in. Im going to prolly have to proxy a raider as a spartan. 3 +++ Sigismund and Friends (2993pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2993pts) ++ + HQ (230pts) + Sigismund (230pts) [Master of the Legion] + Troops (1090pts) + Legion Tactical Squad (235pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox] Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon] Legion Tactical Squad (235pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox] Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon] Legion Tactical Squad (255pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox, Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade] Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon] Templar Brethren (365pts) [8x Combat Shield, Melta Bombs, Nuncio-vox, 8x Templar Brethren] Chapter Champion [Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet] + Elites (888pts) + Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (285pts) Legion Contemptor Dreadnought [Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, Extra Armour, Graviton Gun, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod, Plasma Blaster] Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (165pts) [Two Twin-linked Autocannons] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (180pts) Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] Legion Terminator Squad (258pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Chainfist, 3x Combi-Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, 3x Power Fist, Reaper Autocannon, Teleportation Transponder] Legion Terminator Sergeant [Combi-Weapon] + Heavy Support (785pts) + Legion Heavy Support Squad (240pts) [Lascannons, 4x Legion Space Marines] Legion Sergeant [Augury Scanner] Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (200pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Lascannons] Legion Spartan Assault Tank (345pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield] + Legion + Legion Astartes [VII: Imperial Fists] 3.5 +++ Best Bros (3478pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (3478pts) ++ + HQ (395pts) + Alexis Polux (165pts) Master of the Legion [The Stone Gauntlet] Sigismund (230pts) [Master of the Legion] + Troops (1410pts) + Legion Tactical Squad (235pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox] Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon] Legion Tactical Squad (235pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox] Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon] Legion Tactical Squad (255pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox, Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade] Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon] Phalanx Warder Squad (320pts) [2x Flamer, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox, 9x Phalanx Warder] Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist] Templar Brethren (365pts) [8x Combat Shield, Melta Bombs, Nuncio-vox, 8x Templar Brethren] Chapter Champion [Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet] + Elites (888pts) + Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (285pts) Legion Contemptor Dreadnought [Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, Extra Armour, Graviton Gun, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod, Plasma Blaster] Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (165pts) [Two Twin-linked Autocannons] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (180pts) Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] Legion Terminator Squad (258pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Chainfist, 3x Combi-Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, 3x Power Fist, Reaper Autocannon, Teleportation Transponder] Legion Terminator Sergeant [Combi-Weapon] + Heavy Support (785pts) + Legion Heavy Support Squad (240pts) [Lascannons, 4x Legion Space Marines] Legion Sergeant [Augury Scanner] Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (200pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Lascannons] Legion Spartan Assault Tank (345pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield] + Legion + Legion Astartes [VII: Imperial Fists] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 not sure if people having not a lot to say is the mark of an ok list or an abysmal one XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/#findComment-4198106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Just so you know, You're making pretty much no use out of the Stone Gauntlet while also being Illegal due to breachers not being your Compulsory Troops. You'd also be unable to Deepstrike anything since thats one of the Restrictions. Beyond that, a Simple Swap of a RoW or just not running one and your list would be ok enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/#findComment-4198132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Well, I don't know if you're actually intending to run Stone Gauntlet in the 2nd list, but it's missing the 2 compulsory Breacher Squads, so it's illegal. You also won't be able to Deep Strike those Terminators. Don't want to be too negative, but I think the lists need a bit of work mate. Big points games will open up Super-heavies, which will rip apart the army - you have lots of power-armoured bodies and nothing to shut down a Super-heavy. Have you bought all of this stuff already? That's a massive buy-in! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/#findComment-4198134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 oh cool , thanks Slips , I will drop the RoW and give it a shot I dont think were gonna be playing with Super Heavy stuff, I mean I own a Fellblade that im just not using XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/#findComment-4198135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Well, a fellblade would be a better investment at this points level than more Power Armored Bodies, tbh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/#findComment-4198136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 how do you reckon Id work it into the 3.5k list ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/#findComment-4198139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I'd remove the 5 Man Terminator Squad. They're liable to getting erased on the turn they drop in and their bodies are too low at this points level. Next, would be the 10 man Tac Squad with Extra CCW. That should free up ~513 Points. A Fellblade is 525 so 12 Points needs to get dropped from somewhere. I'd say Extra Armor on the Contemptor and Swapping the Plasma Blaster to another Graviton Gun to free up another 5 Points for a total of 15. List should have 2 points over. However, you'll want to at least give it the Legion Space Marine Crew Upgrade meaning another 15pts to get freed up. Armored Ceramite depends on whether or not you're expecting Melta. If you are, absolutely cut out more upgrades for it such as Dozer Blades. But, at this point, it starts really getting hard to trim down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/#findComment-4198144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Agreed. If you want, you could drop the Phalanx Warders instead of the Terminators, as they're a massive points sink. They'd be ok if you were running Stone Gauntlet, but without it... :/ This would allow a lot more flexibility with where the points go - some storm shields for the Terminators, Armoured Ceramite, Legion Crew, etc. would all be well within reach then! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/#findComment-4198148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 I'd remove the 5 Man Terminator Squad. They're liable to getting erased on the turn they drop in and their bodies are too low at this points level. Next, would be the 10 man Tac Squad with Extra CCW. That should free up ~513 Points. A Fellblade is 525 so 12 Points needs to get dropped from somewhere. I'd say Extra Armor on the Contemptor and Swapping the Plasma Blaster to another Graviton Gun to free up another 5 Points for a total of 15. List should have 2 points over. However, you'll want to at least give it the Legion Space Marine Crew Upgrade meaning another 15pts to get freed up. Armored Ceramite depends on whether or not you're expecting Melta. If you are, absolutely cut out more upgrades for it such as Dozer Blades. But, at this point, it starts really getting hard to trim down. So Something more like this +++ Best Bros (3500pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (3500pts) ++ + HQ (395pts) + Alexis Polux (165pts) [Master of the Legion] Sigismund (230pts) [Master of the Legion] + Troops (805pts) + Legion Tactical Squad (235pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox] Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon] Legion Tactical Squad (235pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox] Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon] Templar Brethren (335pts) [7x Combat Shield, Melta Bombs, Nuncio-vox, 7x Templar Brethren] Chapter Champion [Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet] + Elites (630pts) + Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (285pts) Legion Contemptor Dreadnought [Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, Extra Armour, Graviton Gun, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod, Plasma Blaster] Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (165pts) [Two Twin-linked Autocannons] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (180pts) Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] + Fast Attack (320pts) + Phalanx Warder Squad (320pts) [2x Flamer, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox, 9x Phalanx Warder] Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist] + Heavy Support (785pts) + Legion Heavy Support Squad (240pts) [Lascannons, 4x Legion Space Marines] Legion Sergeant [Augury Scanner] Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (200pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Lascannons] Legion Spartan Assault Tank (345pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield] + Legion + Legion Astartes [VII: Imperial Fists] + Lord of War (565pts) + Legion Fellblade (565pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Space Marine Legion Crew] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/#findComment-4198151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Pretty much, yeah. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/#findComment-4198157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 Do you think polux is better with the breachers sitting on an objective or should he roll with the sigismund pain bus ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/#findComment-4198159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Hes better off Rolling with Sigismund. He gives no real buffs for shooting and is More of a Combat Character. Being able to swing his Power Fist at initiative (+1 if you charge in Sigismunds Unit) can potentially make or break an assault. He also has a 3++ that you can use to tank with. And, if they get hit by non Ap3 Templates, he can tank those on his armor and re-roll failed Saves. Being S5 (S10 Power Fist) means that he can ID even T5 Units that aren't Eternal Warrior. Though, Ideally, you'd use him in a Zone Mortalis Game with Phalanx Warders because: Polux and Warders get Charged (this is preferable for the unit, actually) Gain +1 Initiative due to Phalanx Warder Rules Perform a Reaction Fire Test (initiative Test) at I5. If you succeed, Overwatch at Full BS (5, most likely with Bolters but give the Squad Plasma Guns too for more punch). If the Charging Unit gets in, they gain no Benefits (Defensive Grenades) Polux Swings Back first with his Power Fist at initiative if you want (he and the sarge are forced to challenge anyways) Non-Axe'd Warders Strike Back at I5 Survivors Strike back at I 4-2 Your Axe Warders Strike Last alongside Any Unwieldy Survivors. on an Open Table game, such a situation isn't really possible so you lose a lot of what makes the Phalanx Warders a Strong Specialist Unit, sadly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/#findComment-4198165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Warder Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I'd remove the 5 Man Terminator Squad. They're liable to getting erased on the turn they drop in and their bodies are too low at this points level. Next, would be the 10 man Tac Squad with Extra CCW. That should free up ~513 Points. A Fellblade is 525 so 12 Points needs to get dropped from somewhere. I'd say Extra Armor on the Contemptor and Swapping the Plasma Blaster to another Graviton Gun to free up another 5 Points for a total of 15. List should have 2 points over. However, you'll want to at least give it the Legion Space Marine Crew Upgrade meaning another 15pts to get freed up. Armored Ceramite depends on whether or not you're expecting Melta. If you are, absolutely cut out more upgrades for it such as Dozer Blades. But, at this point, it starts really getting hard to trim down. So Something more like this +++ Best Bros (3500pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (3500pts) ++ + HQ (395pts) + Alexis Polux (165pts) [Master of the Legion] Sigismund (230pts) [Master of the Legion] + Troops (805pts) + Legion Tactical Squad (235pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox] Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon] Legion Tactical Squad (235pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox] Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Dozer Blade] Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon] Templar Brethren (335pts) [7x Combat Shield, Melta Bombs, Nuncio-vox, 7x Templar Brethren] Chapter Champion [Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet] + Elites (630pts) + Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (285pts) Legion Contemptor Dreadnought [Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, Extra Armour, Graviton Gun, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod, Plasma Blaster] Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (165pts) [Two Twin-linked Autocannons] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (180pts) Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] + Fast Attack (320pts) + Phalanx Warder Squad (320pts) [2x Flamer, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox, 9x Phalanx Warder] Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist] + Heavy Support (785pts) + Legion Heavy Support Squad (240pts) [Lascannons, 4x Legion Space Marines] Legion Sergeant [Augury Scanner] Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (200pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Lascannons] Legion Spartan Assault Tank (345pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield] + Legion + Legion Astartes [VII: Imperial Fists] + Lord of War (565pts) + Legion Fellblade (565pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Space Marine Legion Crew] If you drop the phalanx Warders and for 5 points less you could have 8 plasma gunners (artificer on Sgt) in a rhino with a dozer blade. I think that doing this swap makes more sense than keeping the warders Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/#findComment-4202802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 I fear Plasma half my dudes will kill themselves with gets hot the other half will miss with 2s Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314885-3k-and-35k-imperial-fists/#findComment-4202993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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