Chaplain Erasmus Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I'm just curious, for those of you who use a Canoness (and I do, on rare occasions), how do you field her? When I run a Canoness, I give her the works: eviscerator, Mantle of Ophelia, and rosarius, generally accompanying a Rhino-mounted Battle Squad or an 18-strong horde backed by a pair of Priests. The only problem with this build is that, at a slightly higher cost than Celestine, she's not nearly as effective in combat and is way less mobile. This, however, seems to be a problem in general for the Cannie, in that she's always overshadowed by the special characters.How about you? What usefulness have you gotten out of the Canoness, and how do you typically run yours? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I usually run mine either the same way you do, or swapping the Eviscerator for dual Inferno Pistols. When I do that, she runs with the Dominions. Usually that happens if I'm expecting super-heavies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4198786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kros Morotho Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Combi-weapon (usually combi-flamer), rosarius. Absolutely bare-bones. I'm still trying to figure out what, in the current codex, the Canoness' role is... and I'm currently thinking that its simply to hold ground and be a shining example of leadership (so, her command squad of course includes the Sacred Banner). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4198887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sororita Katya Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I run her with inferno pistols and mantle with four heavy bolters for marine armies, or heavy flamers for horde. If I don't do this I put her in a conclave with an eviscerator and banner with DCA's and flagellants and single priest sitting in a repressor. Drop them behind the best viable cover I can give them, and then charge them in, hopefully at the same time my penitents and repentia raven drop. And they say we're not an assault army ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4198981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I run mine basically the same as OP. At T3, she needs EW to survive, and the Eviserator is just awesome. I occasionally run a second Canoness, with rosarius and twin inferno pistols, and sometimes the Litanies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4199123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Bolt pistol, Eviscerator, Rosarious, Mantle of Ophilia. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4199606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedibear Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Yes, she costs roughly the same as Celestine fully kitted out, but she doesn't fold to a failed save vs S6. I've found that it matters a lot, especially when plasma is being thrown your way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4201236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonbandito Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Eviscerator, Inferno Pistol, Rosarius, Mantle of Ophelia. Mainly because that's what she was modelled with when I bought her, but its always fun to pop a Land Raider with her melta pistol, then charge the Terminators inside and clean them up with the Eviscerator (tanking their hits with a re-rollable 4++ from the Priest's War Hymns of course!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4201529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Erasmus Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 Yes, she costs roughly the same as Celestine fully kitted out, but she doesn't fold to a failed save vs S6. I've found that it matters a lot, especially when plasma is being thrown your way. Agreed, she's pretty decent as a tank. Decent, mind you, but not fantastic-- T3 and 3+/4+ only go so far. Eviscerator, Inferno Pistol, Rosarius, Mantle of Ophelia. Mainly because that's what she was modelled with when I bought her, but its always fun to pop a Land Raider with her melta pistol, then charge the Terminators inside and clean them up with the Eviscerator (tanking their hits with a re-rollable 4++ from the Priest's War Hymns of course!) Um...I'm not sure you can reroll the 4++. Doesn't that war hymn specifically affect armour saves Shield of Faith only? Otherwise, agreed, its always nice to have a character who can hold her own in assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4204393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Dawnstar Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Doesn't that war hymn specifically affect armour saves Shield of Faith only Nope, it's all armour and invulnerable saves. I think you're thinking of the Cloak of Saint Aspiria. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4204500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 If the Cloak of St Aspia let you reroll all Invulnerable saves, I imagine you'd see it popping up around the place. As it is, for a meltabomb, you get EW instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4204936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 No, The War Hymn is all armour and invulnerable saves. The Cloak of St. Aspira is armour and SoF saves only. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4205008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Erasmus Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 No, The War Hymn is all invulnerable saves. The Cloak of St. Aspira is armour and SoF saves only. (Looks back at the Codex) Holy crap, apparently I've been misusing Priests this whole time. That is awesome! Now I can see why a lot of people like running Priests with allied Assault Terminators (though granted, rerollable 2+ armour saves are nothing to sneeze at either). Clearly, I need to use Priests more, especially in conjunction with a Cannie. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4205318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Ah, slight assumptive error - Priests are all armour and invun, not just the invuns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4205359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 How do you guys do your conversions for you canonesses? I want to give mine a power axe, but I'm afraid she'll look silly with a giant space marine power axe. Alternatively, any suggestions on how to model an eviscerator given I don't want to buy 3 repentia just to chop it off one of them, and most of my bits are blood angles/space marines? Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4206678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Eviscerators are easy. Just take two Space Marine chainswords and chop the tip off one and the hilt off the other. The only hard bit is lining them up when you glue the parts together. To make a giant power axe look less out of place, have her hold it closer to the head rather than holding the end of the haft. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4206691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Thanks! I think if I do either I will be chopping up the metal power sword so I can use the smaller hand it has, as I think a space marine gauntlet would be a little to big. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4206713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Yes, you will need to do that - and don't forget to pin the hand to the sword and to the wrist, otherwise you'll end up losing it like I did my thunder hammer conversion. >< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4206830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValourousHeart Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 If you DON'T plan to go for the anime look with the Eviserator you really only need to add about 2-3 teeth to the end of a standard chain sword and make the hilt about 1 hand longer. Cutting the tip off of one right before the blade starts to curve and the top 1/4-1/3rd off of a second. The handle can be as simple as a bit of paper clip pin with a small ball of green stuff. If you DO plan to go for the anime look, then own it and make that sword 2-3 times as tall as the model holding it. Moderation does not work in anime. For my canoness I tend to run her cheap with either a storm bolter or a condemnor boltgun. I do something a little different with her... I take her command squad with 5 heavy bolters and make them a fire base. With my 2 HQ / command squads set up this way I still have room for 3 exorcists or 2 exorcists and a squad of PE. It does mean that I don't get to make use of their acts of faith, but the extra HB and open slot for an Exorcist outshine the chance to rend 0-2 turns. If both the Ret squad and my command squad roll average, the command squad will outperform the Ret squad unless the Ret squad gets to use the rend USR for 2 turns. That means you have to take the banner and risk it getting killed before you get the second round of rending. This doesn't consider the added threat that the exorcist presents that you would have to give up to get the Ret squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4229578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackarmor_redtruth Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 For anti-air, I too often run her CCS with hospitaller and four heavy bolters, rosarius and Mantle of Ophelia on the ADL quad-gun. Park this on a backfield objective and your set. For forward-action, rosarius, MoOph, evicerator. I like the inferno pistol, and if pushed for points will do that indead of evicerator. Then she is a bastion, running solo often just to shoot and harass stuff in the backfield/midfield. I've tried the CCS with hospitaller and two evicerators (and heavy flamers to taste) with inferno canoness, and this is a fun build. My meta is flyer heavy, so I favor the first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4248279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 In my experience (with blood Angels) I often find that my inferno pistols are out of range. I wouldn't mind if they didn't cost so many points but whatever. I stopped taking them a while ago. Of course my experience is mostly with BA and I am considering putting one one On my mantle of Ophelia and evicerator canoness Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4248545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 IPs do require insanely aggressive play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4248795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Play big, win big is the key with IPs. And possibly Sisters generally, if my experience is anything to go by. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4249045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I field my Canoness with a Rosarius, a squad to take wounds for her, and riding in an APC, "Death Before Dismount" style. I use Celestine as a distraction and keep my Canoness (who is my Warlord) far from any real action to avoid giving up StW. Usually they forget about her by the time it might matter, but when she's spotted, her ride goes Gingerbread Man while her lackeys throw themselves in between her and whatever is giving chase. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4249190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasp Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I don't want to be a battle sister under her! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314990-canoness-how-do-you-field-yours/#findComment-4253601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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