GrandMagnus Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I have a question regarding the unification wars. Was it the unification of only the solar system or was it the unification of the entire Segmentum Solar? I have never really found a clear answer to that question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegriss Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I believe earth and the solar system but it might be just specifically earth Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4200826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Just Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4200840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted October 19, 2015 Author Share Posted October 19, 2015 Alright, thanks for clearing that up! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4200864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 The UW refer only to Terra I believe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4200910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 From what I gather, only Terra, but by the time it was fully united (compliance of the Caucasus Wastes, storming of the Tempest Galleries) a fair number of battles had been waged in the wider solar system. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4200938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Yeah, there was some crossover. The Unification Wars weren't over when the Great Crusade began, and the nascent Space Marine Legions took part in the final battles of the Wars of Unity. The First Pacification of Luna, the battle that gave the Luna Wolves their name, was considered the first battle of the Great Crusade and separate from the Wars of Unity. Aside from the many references to them as the "Unification Wars of Terra", you'll find support for this in the background for the Thunder Warriors, power armour, the Luna Wolves, and the Great Crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4201008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Between Unification and the first battles of the nascent Great Crusade we have a stage referred to as the "Conquest of Sol". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4201096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted October 19, 2015 Author Share Posted October 19, 2015 Between Unification and the first battles of the nascent Great Crusade we have a stage referred to as the "Conquest of Sol". Then that would refer to the solar system I suppose and not segmentum solar I guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4201133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I've never seen it referred to as the "Conquest of Sol" in capital letters, and there was definitely no "between". With Mars now part of the Imperium, the Great Crusade could begin in earnest and the rest of the solar system was the first region of space to be conquered by the Emperor and his newly rearmed and re-equipped Space Marine Legions. Alien invaders were flushed from the moons of Saturn and Jupiter and their wretched enslaved human inhabitants repatriated to Earth, the once-human creatures of the Neptunian Deeps were exterminated without mercy, and the baleful false-world of Sedna at Sol's edge-light was boiled away to vapour under the guns of the new-forged war fleet. The next step was beyond. […] The First Pacification of Luna was the first operation mounted by elements of the Legiones Astartes beyond the skies of Terra. The Wars of Unity were still raging across the surface of Mankind's birth world. […] …the first true battle of the Great Crusade, the combined force of the VIIth, XIIIth and XVIth lifting from the surface of Terra in a scattering of rocket flame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4201279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted October 19, 2015 Author Share Posted October 19, 2015 Alright, so Unification Wars is the reunification of Terra and Luna. After that it's just the Great Crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4201318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 :lol: What? No. "the first true battle of the Great Crusade" = The First Pacification of Luna. Meaning that wasn't part of the Unification Wars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4201360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted October 19, 2015 Author Share Posted October 19, 2015 Ah darn it, I misunderstood that part Okay, I think I got it now :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4201368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Void Knight Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 How long was the Unification Wars? Several years or a decades long global war? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4201567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I've never seen it referred to as the "Conquest of Sol" in capital letters, and there was definitely no "between". Page 66 of Extermination shows an Imperial Fist from the Conquest of the Solar System. If it didn't occur between, then it did simultaneously. Establishing a secured Sol System is a natural stepping stone on the road to a galactic-spanning crusade. It happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4201618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I've never seen it referred to as the "Conquest of Sol" in capital letters, and there was definitely no "between". Page 66 of Extermination shows an Imperial Fist from the Conquest of the Solar System. If it didn't occur between, then it did simultaneously. Establishing a secured Sol System is a natural stepping stone on the road to a galactic-spanning crusade. It happened. I think what he's saying is that it was part of the Great Crusade, not it's own separate thing. So when they say he was from the conquest of the Solar System, they mean that was the first campaign of the crusade, so to speak. Basically it didn't happen before or at the same time, because it *was* the great crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4201622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I almost wish the conquest of the solar system was part of the unification wars. I feel like the HH books have been trying to cram unification battles on terra into every legions background, when this used to be the primary usage of the thunder warriors. Now they feel more and more marginalized by the writer's desire to have everyone get a piece of the unification pie. I loved the idea of the unification wars bing so horrendous that they needed the thunder warriors to complete them, and that Astartes were late-comers to the whole process only helping take the remaining planets in Sol before pushing outwards. It was what made up part of the Thunder Warrior mythos. Now it just feels like, "well why didn't the big E wait a few years and just re-take terra with space marines instead of thunder warriors." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4201629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Void Knight Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I almost wish the conquest of the solar system was part of the unification wars. I feel like the HH books have been trying to cram unification battles on terra into every legions background, when this used to be the primary usage of the thunder warriors. Now they feel more and more marginalized by the writer's desire to have everyone get a piece of the unification pie. I loved the idea of the unification wars bing so horrendous that they needed the thunder warriors to complete them, and that Astartes were late-comers to the whole process only helping take the remaining planets in Sol before pushing outwards. It was what made up part of the Thunder Warrior mythos. Now it just feels like, "well why didn't the big E wait a few years and just re-take terra with space marines instead of thunder warriors." Well, the title of "Unification" in the Unification Wars is meant to imply the unification of Terra while the Great Crusade is about expanding the Emperor's civilization to symbolize that humanity is united and just like before, spreading out across the galaxy from their birth planet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4202017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I think his concern is not necessarily about the intent behind each, but that increasing the one to include all of Sol would allow Terra to remain the sole domain of the Thunder Warriors while still allowing Legions to participate as Forge World has been having most do. Which I can kinda agree with. Before, it would have been a rare thing if a Legion fought in one of the last Unification Wars, if at all. Now, it's rare when they don't. I do kinda prefer the former over the latter, but I'm not all too displeased. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4202090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I think his concern is not necessarily about the intent behind each, but that increasing the one to include all of Sol would allow Terra to remain the sole domain of the Thunder Warriors while still allowing Legions to participate as Forge World has been having most do. Which I can kinda agree with. Before, it would have been a rare thing if a Legion fought in one of the last Unification Wars, if at all. Now, it's rare when they don't. I do kinda prefer the former over the latter, but I'm not all too displeased. Exactly, I mean FW has done an awesome job with the fluff and now it's written in anyways, but I just wish the "stars and beyond" were the province of the Astartes, while the Thunder Warriors remained the badasses who beat earth into submission, something those wet-behind-the-ears Astartes weren't strong enough to do ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4202234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 The way I read the revised FW history is that the Emperor created the Thunder Warriors as nothing more than a better form of the techno-barbarian hordes to start knocking down other warlords, and used them as the first learning steps of being able to mass produce a lesser version of his Custodes. The Thunder Warriors were a transitional technology and nothing more. Once the Legions started amassing in numbers, he would certainly want to test them in battle, wouldn't he? If you make your first weapon disposable and then switch to the newer one, would you immediately take to the moon without giving them a few shake down runs? That's why I have no problem with some of the original Terran Legions getting in on the Unification action at the end of the wars. I also really like Hyenas' Firstborn idea where they're being trained by a Thunder Warrior. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4202245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulf Vengis Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Until recently i always thought it was the astartes first mission to eliminate the thunder warriors... Kinda liked that thought too. Oh well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315069-unification-wars/#findComment-4206600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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