ElectricPaladin Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I've decided that since I'm a grownup with a job and everything, I'm not going to consider a force "complete" until it has a superheavy. I mean, I'm not exactly rolling in dough, but I can afford to dip into my savings for a $200+ model every once in a while. So, the question is, which superheavy is best for my Sororitas+Inquisition+Grey Knights force? My shortlist is: Cerastus Knight-AcheronPros: the enormous flamer is thematically appropriate to a Sororitas force. Cons: of the LoW Knights, this one is the one I like the least in terms of looks (though I like it well enough to be reasonably happy with it). Cerastus Knight-CastigatorPros: BIG HUGE GIANT FREAKING SWORD! Cons: Rules are kind of... meh. I think I'd rather have the giant flamer. Baneblade (probably one of the variants with a D-weapon)Pros: Lots of awesome conversion opportunities to make a rolling death-temple. Cons: I need either a patient opponent, to run Unbound, or to bring some IG AM allies, and frankly, my list is starting to look like a Who's Who if the Imperium as it is. ThunderhawkPros: Awesome model, awesome rules. Cons: Damnit, the Sororitas are supposed to be the stars of this show. The Sororitas. What's your problem, EP? Thoughts? Including possibilities I haven't even considered yet? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 A Baneblade with no supporting guardsmen always feels badly out of place to me. A Castigator is mostly a crap Warden with one, tiny, redeeming niche. I'd probably take a Knight Crusader with those factions. No need for justification with any Imperial force and, without seeing your list, I'd expect long range to be your greatest weakness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4201330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonbandito Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Yeah, I'd go with the Cerastus Knight-Acheron or Imperial Knight Warden or Paladin. Biggest problem with the Cerastus Knights is that they can't take Carapace weapons, which limits their charge potential (as in they can't shoot at as many different units to open up their charge options). Plus they are super-tall, almost twice the height of the plastic Imperial Knight, which may or may not be a problem. The only Baneblade variant with the D-Weapon is the Shadowsword, which is a great looking tank. I highly highly recommend you magnetise a Baneblade kit if you get one though, since there's like 8 different variants. There's a really good guide on how to do it over in the Imperial Guard section on this forum. Also, keep in mind that the only 2 Knight/Baneblade super-heavies that can really stand up to a Wraithknight imo are the Shadowsword and Cerastus Knight-Lancer. And even then they're still more expensive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4201351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted October 19, 2015 Author Share Posted October 19, 2015 Hm. Of the GW Knights, only the Warden (and the original Errant/Paladin) really appeals. Is the Warden a Lord of War, or just a "normal" Knight Superheavy? I'm leaning towards the Acheron at the moment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4201394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GogglesDown Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Acheron, Atrapos, or Warhound w/ plasma blast and turbo lasers would be my suggestion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4201458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Is the Warden a Lord of War, or just a "normal" Knight Superheavy? I don't understand the question. All Knights are Lords of War. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4201462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonbandito Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 All Knights are Lords of War. The Imperial Knight variants (Paladin/Errant/Warden/Gallant/Crusader) can only be taken in one of the formations/detachments from Codex: Imperial Knights. The Oathsworn Detachment lets you take 1-3 Knights with no further special bonuses, which is perfect for allying a Knight into another army. The forgeworld knights (Cerastus and Questaris variants, except the Questaris Knight Styrix which is only for Horus Heresy) are slightly different, in that they can be taken as a Lord of War for any Armies of the Imperium faction. This means you could take a Cerastus Knight-Acheron for example in a Adepta Sororitas Combined Arms Detachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4201469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 All Knights are Lords of War. The Imperial Knight variants (Paladin/Errant/Warden/Gallant/Crusader) can only be taken in one of the formations/detachments from Codex: Imperial Knights. The Oathsworn Detachment lets you take 1-3 Knights with no further special bonuses, which is perfect for allying a Knight into another army. The forgeworld knights (Cerastus and Questaris variants, except the Questaris Knight Styrix which is only for Horus Heresy) are slightly different, in that they can be taken as a Lord of War for any Armies of the Imperium faction. This means you could take a Cerastus Knight-Acheron for example in a Adepta Sororitas Combined Arms Detachment. Thank you - that clarifies it significantly. I understand now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4201513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonbandito Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Just to further clarify, all the Forgeworld Knights (except the Questoris Knight Styrix as its Horus Heresy list only) can be taken in a Codex: Imperial Knight formation. So if you ever get to the point of owning 3 Knights, you can mix and match the plastic and resin variants as you see fit (which also leads to some interesting interactions with the Imperial Knight relics/warlord traits). The only rule is that you can never have more of a particular Cerastus/Questoris variant than you do of other Knights, "owing to their rarity in the 41st millennium". If you're leaning towards a Knight, an Imperial Knight Warden is a really good choice imo. It (along with the Paladin) are the two best 'Generalist' variants, in that their weapon loadouts can generally be expected to handle most things you'll encounter. Plus the Warden happens to have the 'Holy Trinity' of weapons as appropriate to a Sister of Battle army: the Avenger Bolt Cannon, the built-in Heavy Flamer and you can upgrade the Heavy Stubber to a Meltagun. And in practical terms, the Imperial Knight variants are full Plastic kits which can be a considerable advantage from the hobby/$$$ side of things, depending on how invested you are in that. The Cerastus Knights are big resin models which are a bit of a different ballgame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4201549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiBen Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I'll throw in a vote for the Warden too... I'm building/painting one at the moment to add to my Sisters. Though I've also got a Castigator waiting to be assembled too... I know they're not the "best" choice in terms of in-game effectiveness, but they have a wicked-cool sword, as @ElectricPaladin rightly pointed out in the OP. That alone is sufficient justification for me to want to include one! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4201582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 The Cerastus Knights are big resin models... Well, that's part of the appeal . I've got to find the rules for the Knight Warden somewhere so I can make up my mind... or honestly, I could just stop being lazy and finish the Knight Paladin I've got sitting up on my shelf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4201595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedibear Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Marauder Bomber! coz nothing says burn like a Marauder Bomber! lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4202519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackarmor_redtruth Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I like my Imperial Knight Paladin, just wish I could get some of the hull-mounted options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4249228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 A second weapon on the Castigator and Lancer would go a long way towards making these two frames more usable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4250232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Rosette Soulknyt Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Reaver Titan.... reason, it's a Titan. They are huge walking death, what more do you need?? Mine i have for my SoB army can shoot 5x D str Large Blast per round and 6x Str 8 large Blasts per round. Enough to deal with any Knight, super heavy, hordes, Garg-Creature or uber character in a mob squad. That and there is so much space to personalise it, with shoulders, knees, chest so many places to pimp it up with laurels to your SoB army. I even took apart the FW SoB doors just for the round symbols. One now is on its left knee, the other on the rightt shoulder to show its honours to my Order. Knights are fun, i have one as well, but a Titan is so much more impressive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4251702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wako1302 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Within an 1850 list at the moment I am taking 2 knights - Warden with AA Cannons & The Castigator. Combined with 2 Exorcists and 2 Immolators with Melta Guns, I seem to have a good combination of Troop Killers (the Knight Gatling Guns) and Vehicle Killers (Exorcist Missiles & Melta). I find the Gatling guns are also handy in taking down Flyers, especially if you can get on a SkyFire objective. Also I have found that my opponent seems to worry too much about the Knights, letting the Sisters run around grabbing objectives., Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315086-best-superheavy/#findComment-4253141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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