Rahotep Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 So I have two questions for you my Brothers! Is Armageddon (Premium Paperback) just Helsreach and Blood and Fire consolidated into one handy book? Would you consider these books a centre piece in understanding Black Templar, and if so why? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 So I have two questions for you my Brothers! Is Armageddon (Premium Paperback) just Helsreach and Blood and Fire consolidated into one handy book? Would you consider these books a centre piece in understanding Black Templar, and if so why? I've only read Helsreach - it gave me more of an insight into the Templar psyche...and ZEAL It wasn't exactly what I was expecting, but I wasn't unpleasantly surprised, save the very minimal role the Sisters had in the story (which amounted to a few lines if I recall correctly) I can't comment on Armageddon though. It's on the list of books to read. Edit, the second - just noticed that this is your first post. Welcome to the B+C! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4201345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 1. Yes. 2. As long as you're not too hung up on the details, sure. They're about 4th edition Templars, not the 6th edition version. That really makes very little difference to the core of what makes a Templar a Templar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4201349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 2. As long as you're not too hung up on the details, sure. They're about 4th edition Templars, not the 6th edition version. That really makes very little difference to the core of what makes a Templar a Templar, but that didn't stop the BT forum crying about it for 18+ months. Shush I never read Blood and Fire, but Helsreach is something of a holy text among Templar fans. It conflicts with the (lousy) new fluff only in a few rare points, i.e. Grimaldus spurning a Sister and the notion of the Ecclesiarchy's superiority, whereas the new fluff has them bowing to that particular cult. That's like 2 paragraphs out of the whole book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4201393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahotep Posted October 19, 2015 Author Share Posted October 19, 2015 Thank you for the warm welcome Aquilanus! I've ordered myself a copy of Armageddon as I'm going to be using it for inspiration as I begin collecting my Templar force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4201403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Blood and Fire is excellent and a worthy follow-up novella to Helsreach, as it deals with one of the other big memorable events of Armageddon, the "assassination" of the Celestial Lions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4201532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 You'll love Helsreach. Every time I read Grimaldus speech right before the first wave of Orks attack....that just gives me creep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4201640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelPaladin Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Helsreach is very good, but Blood and Fire might just be my favorite thing AD-B has written. I can't really explain why though There is a small part in Helsreach where Grimaldus is remembering the last stand of the Shadow Wolves chapter. That little bit gave me chills, it was just so epic. Well, pretty much all of Blood and Fire felt like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4202520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 · Hidden by Iron-Daemon Forge, October 21, 2015 - Starting a argument Hidden by Iron-Daemon Forge, October 21, 2015 - Starting a argument 1. Yes. 2. As long as you're not too hung up on the details, sure. They're about 4th edition Templars, not the 6th edition version. That really makes very little difference to the core of what makes a Templar a Templar, but that didn't stop the BT forum crying about it for 18+ months. ... You wanna start it again? Keep being condascending. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4202544
Lucien Eilam Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 · Hidden by Iron-Daemon Forge, October 21, 2015 - Starting a argument Hidden by Iron-Daemon Forge, October 21, 2015 - Starting a argument You wanna start it again? Keep being condascending. You're going to cry? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4202593
Firepower Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I neglected part of the #2 question, specifically the "why." Helsreach (again, never read Blood and Fire) illustrates the ideals and dispositions of the Templars by switching back and forth between Grimaldus' first person perspective and more typical third person writing. Grimaldus is dealing with some issues in the book, which skews his point of view on events, while the more general third person demonstrates more Chapter-wide behavior and ideals. If I were to concisely sum up the disposition of the Templars and how it is well portrayed in Helsreach, it would be "pitiless, zealous and hateful." But in a good way. Or at least the grimdark definition of "good." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4202613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I think I might want to pick up Helsreach, it sounds like an interesting book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4202671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I think I might want to pick up Helsreach, it sounds like an interesting book. It's been the reason several board members site for starting their Templar armies. Flint has blamed it, and me. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4203386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I think I might want to pick up Helsreach, it sounds like an interesting book. It's been the reason several board members site for starting their Templar armies. Flint has blamed it, and me. I might give it a whirl then. They need to make a Black Templar book all about how that one guy murdered a Daemon Prince with just his combat knife, that sounds like a pretty radical story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4203457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 That's why you don't mess with the big boss :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4203461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mattias Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Do it! It's a great read (and everyone who does becomes a potential new Zealot ;) ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4203495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Do it! It's a great read (and everyone who does becomes a potential new Zealot ;) )I read it and it was good, but I'm still X Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4216082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 You will thank yourself for reading Helsreach. What a great freaking book....written by the allfather himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4216086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 You will thank yourself for reading Helsreach. What a great freaking book....written by the allfather himself.What ADB is Odin? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4216096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 You will thank yourself for reading Helsreach. What a great freaking book....written by the allfather himself.What ADB is Odin? And so much more Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4216101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 You will thank yourself for reading Helsreach. What a great freaking book....written by the allfather himself.What ADB is Odin? And so much more http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/kieran_m/1416529557023927879_zpsbhdbk538.jpg WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4216364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I always thought of Odin as having...y'know, hair? ;) So slightly back on topic, I actually re-read Helsreach just a few days ago. As far as conflicts between the old, true and proper fluff and the abominable lies about Templars in C:SM being present in the novel, there are very, very few times where the conflict pops up. So that's cool :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4217088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 The story of the Celestial Lions is one of the coolest ones I've seen done of old fluff. I remember reading about that in Codex Armageddon and wondering about it. ADB did an amazing job with it. Also the Black Templars story is really good. But Celestial Lions. Seriously awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315087-armageddon-adb/#findComment-4227993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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