Jolemai Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I was browsing the GK forum the other day and came across this. It's basically one of their players asking for tips against us. Have to say, I always find these perspectives interesting, even if they aren't entirely accurate. What do you think about these type of threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Holy crap. They HATE us. I love it. Really lamenting the +1I! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Antodeniel Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 By reading at how they "cry", i wonder if they open their codex and read it well...for my main opponent being a Grey Knight, i can say that they have a lot of possibilities to counter us easily. Dreadknight poping at turn 2 shooting with Heavy Psy-Cannon + Heavy Flammer. Psychic Bang from every Grey Knight unit. (Its a real Shadow in the Warp....and don't even mention the Librarian Teleport.) Str6 ap3 weapons all the time, with Instant Death when they are lucky on psy rolls...or when they have Librarian with them... The almost unkillable Paladin. (But you can use Seth as a BeatStick if you charge first....tycho is fine too thanks to is 2+ =) ). And More : THEY STEAL OUR PORTABLE FRAG-CANNON TO MAKE IT A PSY-CANNON ! (No Bashing in this post^^, i just remembered some "things" that happened in previous games^^, and for the Psy-cannon, it's because we are mad having none^^.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdAstraPerAspera Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Edited version- they bring up some good points about the assault phase. If we can go first, especially with DC, the scales can tip in our favor. But they can be pretty scary up close as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 ... Just to clarify, lets stray away from Faction-bashing as it's only going to get the thread locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Factionalism is all well and good during the ETL, brothers, but Jolemai is right. Stow the bashing. Keep things constructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdAstraPerAspera Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Corrected my error. My apologies, brothers and sisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 One thing that intrigues me the most is that people fear things we take for granted. For example, our BSF grants us the infamous +1 INT on the charge but with it being one of four Detachments we can choose from, it's rarely a straighforward choice. Don't get me wrong, when our Codex dropped everyone was taking it but now people have strayed towards the FTSF, ASF and even gone back to the CAD. Then there's our Formations, the majority of which don't include The Red Thirst and our "uber" Formation certainly doesn't have it. I would even suggest that those who still use the BSF are supplementing it with other things to the point where it's barely a threat, let alone a tactic. Interesting how Dreadnoughts and jump units are feared and yet there's a huge concern amongst our Frater about fielding them these days. ... and so on. Threads like these are fascinating as they explore the psychological mindset of an opponent which allows you to try and intimidate with a unit you may well have overlooked. There's so much more to this than rolling dice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Antodeniel Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Personnaly, i use the Flesh Tearers detachment, so i never have the +1 initiative^^. Also, Grey Knight have saw their codex being weakened too by the Space Marine one, like us. Their situation is different, for being a completely different kind of army, but there is a parallell. By the way, Grey Knight are interresting ennemies, that can bring a lot of surprise and fun to a game...even, if, like us, they would need 1 or 2 "New" units for adding more diversity of gameplay. (By the way, they can allies more easily than us, fluffly speaking of course^^.) In fine, i think that focusing on the Grey Knight exemple isn't really relevant, for, 3/4 of the others army ram into us like freaks....and i won't even know what the New tau think of us....nor the Dark Angels and they "OP" overwatch. "Bashing ? Me ? I'm French ! When i turn on the TV, i see/hear french bashing everyday^^" (And apart from the insecurity of some places, french are friendly, Friendship is magic right ? arf, but...magic is heresy, no ? Well, after all, brothers of the blood, the inquisition is already on us ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildrcheese Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Interesting read over at GK. Personally I think we're on par power level wise with GK, but it's partly because we're good at killing other marines. I find non marine armies much nor difficult in a TAC environment, but I think we're one of the worst armies when it comes to having access to super cheesy stuff... D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Yeah, I can hardly find any dairy products in our codex. And even the free power/combi weapons and triple ravens in formations are no Gorgonzola either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Quixus is right, our only cheese comes at a hefty price tag. ...Unlike the new RG formation Int5 is super strong and Jumpers mean that we usually are the ones charging. I think because they are fielded less people aren't as experienced with them, so there is some fear there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Scruffy Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 This makes me want to ask the other boards for "advice" on how to use my totally legit non-Blood Angels Army against those "filthy red traitors". ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redshadow Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Gk shunt and gate around the board like crazy but we're one of the few armies that can match there pace and still assault them with greater I, plus when playing Gk we can out number them 2-1 in a lot of games Dante + a character with relic blade and a jump pack, two full assault squads and tactical squad will hold there own against them for 1000pts with room for upgrades, won't be easy but will hold its own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadDice0809 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 The only time I have ever had trouble against GK is Dreadknight spam. Those things suck. If you don't shoot them to death or kill them on the charge your toast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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