Question about IC wargear

[dtse]

hi guys.  quick question on the interrogator chaplain wargear.  It says can take stuff from the various lists.  he comes stock with bolt pistol and crozius.  Can i replace the bolt pistol with the power fist and thus have 2 close combat weapons?

[Father Mehman]

Yes you can!

[Quixus]

However you already have 2 CCWs with the crozius and the bolt pistol. Since the Power Fist is a specialist weapon you do not get an extra attack from the crozius when attacking with the PF. It is unclear whether the PF provides an extra attack with the crozius.

[ManowarKills]

In short, yes. In fact, the new Interrogator Chaplain model comes equipped with both a Power Fist and Crozius Arcanum. However from the way the question is asked, I think you might want to consider some things:

 

1) The Interrogator Chaplain (in power armor, *NOT* while in terminator armor) can take a Power Fist without trading anything in (the new model's pistol is on his hip).

 

2) A bolt pistol already acts as a second melee weapon, letting you get another attack with your Crozius Arcanum every round if that is your goal.

 

3) A Power Fist is a specialist weapon, meaning you can't pair it with a non-specialist weapon to get a bonus attack for having 2 melee weapons.

 

Paying for the Power Fist on an Interrogator Chaplain just adds a second option when attacking, instead of attacking at normal initiative with a Crozius Arcanum (and getting an extra attack from having a pistol), you can choose to attack at the end of the round with the Power Fist if you need the higher strength and AP.

[Father Mehman]

Oh come now, gents. Rule of Cool and all that wins !

[dtse]

oh wow, confusing ok.  So if i pay my 25 points, i could have either an extra attack at normal crozius initiative, or los that extra but have extra powre of the power fist....i think i get it....

 

is that why a lot of people end up just taking the mace of redemption?

[ManowarKills]

oh wow, confusing ok.  So if i pay my 25 points, i could have either an extra attack at normal crozius initiative, or los that extra but have extra powre of the power fist....i think i get it....

 

is that why a lot of people end up just taking the mace of redemption?

The Mace of Redemption would attack at base initiative, improve upon the Crozius' strength bonus and AP value, gets an extra attacks when paired with the Crozius Arcanum (neither is a specialist weapon), and comes with the Blind and Concussive special rules. Given that the Mace of Remeption only costs 1 melta bomb more than a Power Fist, I'd consider it the better value most of the time unless you really need AP 2 (and aren't facing Chaos Space Marines) or need enough strength to glance AV 14 vehicles.

[Quixus]

oh wow, confusing ok.  So if i pay my 25 points, i could have either an extra attack at normal crozius initiative, or los that extra but have extra powre of the power fist....i think i get it....

 

 

 

As I wrote earlier it is unclear whether you get an extra attack from the power fist when you attack with the crozius.

 

The general combat rules say that you only ever attack with one weapon and that you get +1 attack when you have more than one CCW.

 

The specialist weapon rule says that "A model fighting with this weapon does not receive +1 Attack for fighting with two weapons unless it is armed with two or more Melee weapons with the Specialist Weapon rule." Fighting with is not a game term. Is a model that does not attack with the specialist weapon but is only armed with one fighting with a specialist weapon?

[Cactus]

I'd say that if you're claiming +1 attack then yes, you are fighting with it.

[SnakeChisler]

I'd go Mace of Redemption the Interrogator has I5 so you get to kill marines (or other I4 models) before they strike you, taking the Power Fist while looking very cool on the new model wastes the extra Intiative

 

In marine on marine action your getting 5 attacks on the charge re-rolled for hatred then wounding on 2's no saves, its also good at clubbing vehicles.

[deadangel101]

There are other options/combos that make this character interesting. I take mine with the extra power fist, then trade out the crozius and bolt pistol for a lightning claw and Foe Smiter. This gives him an extra attack whether he uses the lightning claw or power fist, and he gets a cool gun as well.

[Quixus]

I'd say that if you're claiming +1 attack then yes, you are fighting with it.

But technically models aren't fighting. They are assaulting and attacking. The rules explicitly state that you can only attack with one weapon, no matter how many you have and only use the profile of that weapon. They also explicitly say that you gain +1 attack if you have more than one melee weapon. If you are not attacking with the specialist weapon, you are not using its profile and thus you are not subjected to the specialist weapon rule.

That's why I said it is debatable.

 

@deadangel101: Interesting, the Interrogator Chaplain seems to be allowed to trade away his symbol of office.

[deadangel101]

It is somewhat debatable whether or not the crozius is a "power weapon," but since the relics list simply specifies that it replaces "one weapon," this is perfectly legal. On a related note, Stobz pointed out to me that the company master can "take a storm shield" in addition to any other equipment (even in terminator armor ). Meaning you can take him with a storm bolter, relic blade and storm shield.

[Quixus]

I know the rules are clear, it's just that I was surprised by the ability to exchange the crozius for a relic or other weapon. That the DA chaplain gets an extra power fist sets him apart from the other chaplains.

[JeffJedi]

Don't forget they did it for the new model with both. I believe it was they way of making it super obvious that it was legal.

 

Besides, it's tradition that our Chaplains have weird wargear for every codex.