Bartali Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I've previously played Deathwing lists, dabled with BA Terminator heavy lists and now play with Grey Knights in 40K Looking to get into Horus Heresy with a Pride of the Legion list incorporating Terminators, Land Raiders and Dreads. I'm well aware of the limitations of these lists in 40K, but have no idea in 30K. Any pointers in what I should / shouldn't be doing before buying resin would be appreciated. Will probably paint them up as Blood Angels. Thanks ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315223-pride-of-the-legion-advice/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Mind you body count. In 30k only Troops and units with specific entries score. You are also in a setting where you can run 20man Tac Blobs, S10 pie plates and very potent infantry killers. Another problem is that TDA can not deep strike by default, so Land Raiders are common, which leads to the problem of having too many eggs in one metal box. Haywire is present in 30k and many people are prepared to tackle Spartans, Typhons and Knights. Just be aware of those limitations ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315223-pride-of-the-legion-advice/#findComment-4204666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 Thanks. Had a play around in Battlescribe, and boy do those points get eaten up fast. While not Pride of the Legion per se, this gets me to around 1500 once I add in upgrades Preator w/ TDA 5x Terminators in a Land Raider Phobos or Spartan 10x Tacticals in a Rhino 10x Tacticals in a Rhino Deredeo Dread w/ Anvilus / Aiolos Deredeo Dread w/ Anvilus / Aiolos Not expecting to get a list 'spot on' at this time, just need to know if I'm heading in the right direction Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315223-pride-of-the-legion-advice/#findComment-4204741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 My pride list is pretty evil @ 1500 +++ 1500 (1497pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) ++ + HQ + Legion Praetor [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Cyber-familiar, Iron Father, Paragon Blade, Volkite Charger] ··Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion] + Troops + Legion Terminator Squad [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 9x Legion Terminators] ··Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield] ··Legion Terminator Sergeant [Cyber-familiar] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Sniper] ··Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Auxiliary Drive, Havoc Launcher] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Sniper] ··Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Auxiliary Drive, Havoc Launcher] + Legion + Legion Astartes [X: Iron Hands] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315223-pride-of-the-legion-advice/#findComment-4205864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Vs the Unprepared, yes. But, for those of us who Encounter Spartans on the daily, not so much. In the case of those who do, they'd 100% bring anit-spartan countermeasures which will usually end up with your Terminator Blob stuck outside of its Wreck, In difficult/dangerous terrain while the rest of their army just ignores them. Your only anti-vehicle choice is also just your Spartan with its 4 Lascannons. Take that down and anything Av12+ you can no longer harm. Consider: +++ Angels Wrath 1500 Generic (1500pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1500pts) ++ + HQ (245pts) + Legion Praetor (245pts) [Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Jump Pack, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade, Void Shield Harness] ··Master of the Legion [Angel's Wrath] + Troops (835pts) + Legion Assault Squad (380pts) [Combat Shields, 9x Legion Assault Space Marines, Melta Bombs, 2x Power Weapon] ··Legion Assault Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Thunder Hammer] Legion Tactical Squad (455pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ··Legion Storm Eagle Assault Gunship [Twin-linked Multi-melta, Two Twin-linked Lascannons] ··Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist] + Heavy Support (420pts) + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (210pts) [Reaper Autocannon battery] Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (210pts) [Reaper Autocannon battery] Not tailored to take you down and is built up as generically as possible that any legion can take it. While it does have 10 Less bodies than yours, it has a Hit&Run Assault Squad that has Melta Bombs and Combat Shields to up their Survival Rate in general but, so long as they're under the Void Shield of the Preator, you cannot shoot them due to Av12 and the only thing that can pop it in your list is the Spartan. Since they're just as mobile as your list with a smaller footprint, they'll have a much easier time just avoiding your death star. On the off chance they get caught? Hit & Run and slingshot away. Then you have 2 Fire Raptors and an Anti-Tank Storm Eagle to boot which you cannot do anything to. Meaning the Embarked Tac Squad can just mosey on up to an objective and Cap it. +++ Lesson is: don't run a 30k Deathstar at sub 2k (and even then it still wont be the best). You're better off covering all your bases reliably then hedging all your bets on a Single Death Taxi getting the job done. It can be effective the first time but in subsequent games, your opponent will have knowledge of just what it is your list does and will have a much easier time countering you than you do him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315223-pride-of-the-legion-advice/#findComment-4205909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 You could also run two five man terminator squads in dreadclaws and a veteran squad with sniper or meltas/outflank, but it's pricy points wise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315223-pride-of-the-legion-advice/#findComment-4205914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfHorus Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, October 25, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, October 25, 2015 - No reason given Vs the Unprepared, yes. But, for those of us who Encounter Spartans on the daily, not so much. In the case of those who do, they'd 100% bring anit-spartan countermeasures which will usually end up with your Terminator Blob stuck outside of its Wreck, In difficult/dangerous terrain while the rest of their army just ignores them. Your only anti-vehicle choice is also just your Spartan with its 4 Lascannons. Take that down and anything Av12+ you can no longer harm. Consider: +++ Angels Wrath 1500 Generic (1500pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1500pts) ++ + HQ (245pts) + Legion Praetor (245pts) [Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Jump Pack, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade, Void Shield Harness] ··Master of the Legion [Angel's Wrath] + Troops (835pts) + Legion Assault Squad (380pts) [Combat Shields, 9x Legion Assault Space Marines, Melta Bombs, 2x Power Weapon] ··Legion Assault Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Thunder Hammer] Legion Tactical Squad (455pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ··Legion Storm Eagle Assault Gunship [Twin-linked Multi-melta, Two Twin-linked Lascannons] ··Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist] + Heavy Support (420pts) + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (210pts) [Reaper Autocannon battery] Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (210pts) [Reaper Autocannon battery] Not tailored to take you down and is built up as generically as possible that any legion can take it. While it does have 10 Less bodies than yours, it has a Hit&Run Assault Squad that has Melta Bombs and Combat Shields to up their Survival Rate in general but, so long as they're under the Void Shield of the Preator, you cannot shoot them due to Av12 and the only thing that can pop it in your list is the Spartan. Since they're just as mobile as your list with a smaller footprint, they'll have a much easier time just avoiding your death star. On the off chance they get caught? Hit & Run and slingshot away. Then you have 2 Fire Raptors and an Anti-Tank Storm Eagle to boot which you cannot do anything to. Meaning the Embarked Tac Squad can just mosey on up to an objective and Cap it. +++ Lesson is: don't run a 30k Deathstar at sub 2k (and even then it still wont be the best). You're better off covering all your bases reliably then hedging all your bets on a Single Death Taxi getting the job done. It can be effective the first time but in subsequent games, your opponent will have knowledge of just what it is your list does and will have a much easier time countering you than you do him. Neat list, nothing to do with Pride of the Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315223-pride-of-the-legion-advice/#findComment-4205917
Slips Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, October 25, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, October 25, 2015 - No reason given Vs the Unprepared, yes. But, for those of us who Encounter Spartans on the daily, not so much. In the case of those who do, they'd 100% bring anit-spartan countermeasures which will usually end up with your Terminator Blob stuck outside of its Wreck, In difficult/dangerous terrain while the rest of their army just ignores them. Your only anti-vehicle choice is also just your Spartan with its 4 Lascannons. Take that down and anything Av12+ you can no longer harm. Consider: *snip* +++ Lesson is: don't run a 30k Deathstar at sub 2k (and even then it still wont be the best). You're better off covering all your bases reliably then hedging all your bets on a Single Death Taxi getting the job done. It can be effective the first time but in subsequent games, your opponent will have knowledge of just what it is your list does and will have a much easier time countering you than you do him. Neat list, nothing to do with Pride of the Legion. Was mostly used as an example as to why RandomMarines 1500pt POTL might not be the best choice. All things in Context, after all, since without it, you might miss the obvious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315223-pride-of-the-legion-advice/#findComment-4205918
WolfOfHorus Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, October 25, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, October 25, 2015 - No reason given Vs the Unprepared, yes. But, for those of us who Encounter Spartans on the daily, not so much. In the case of those who do, they'd 100% bring anit-spartan countermeasures which will usually end up with your Terminator Blob stuck outside of its Wreck, In difficult/dangerous terrain while the rest of their army just ignores them. Your only anti-vehicle choice is also just your Spartan with its 4 Lascannons. Take that down and anything Av12+ you can no longer harm. Consider: *snip* +++ Lesson is: don't run a 30k Deathstar at sub 2k (and even then it still wont be the best). You're better off covering all your bases reliably then hedging all your bets on a Single Death Taxi getting the job done. It can be effective the first time but in subsequent games, your opponent will have knowledge of just what it is your list does and will have a much easier time countering you than you do him. Neat list, nothing to do with Pride of the Legion. Was mostly used as an example as to why RandomMarines 1500pt POTL might not be the best choice. All things in Context, after all, since without it, you might miss the obvious.He asked for advice for PotL. Giving him an entirely different list with another RoW is counterintuitive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315223-pride-of-the-legion-advice/#findComment-4205920
Slips Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 For the OP, it was mostly to show him that Eggs in One Basket POTL might not be the best choice especially at 1500, like the Above POTL List demonstrates. That, and not covering all your bases just because you have an EIOB situation is not the best use of your limited 1500 points. The point being driven home because of how easy a generic list could invalidate the prior example without necessarily Tailoring it to take it down. So, theres his advice, which is in my original post anyways: Dont run a Massive Point Sink Deathstar at 1500 points since it'll leave you unable to properly cover all your bases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315223-pride-of-the-legion-advice/#findComment-4205924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 So it hasnst been beaten as yet but I'm against nids tomorrow so I well see its goes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315223-pride-of-the-legion-advice/#findComment-4206171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 He turn up with a flying circus so I lost badly. Tabled turn 3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315223-pride-of-the-legion-advice/#findComment-4206894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Fancy that. It is annoying when that happens, but at the same time, but at the same time, it is to be expected. My normal list involves a Vigilator, Power Sword, Breachers, 2 Graviton Guns and a Nuncio, 2 Tacticals in Rhinos, 2x 3 Graviton Rapiers, a Deredeo and a Medusa. This is against all comers, and suffers against Drop Pod CC armies (Night Lords, Sons of Horus and World Eaters); they can get close enough that -5" move isn't really enough, while flyer spam is a pain, but due to how weak flyer spam is in general, I should be ok for the most part. That said, the Spartan takes up to 8 Haywire shots in the first turn. Any debussing terminators must take a dangerous terrain test for every individual template they pass over from their access point to where they deploy, and must do so again the following turn if they move. Any extra damage caused from failed tests and bolter fire is just a bonus. After that, the Terminators are limited to 10 Bolter shots per turn. The medusa drops an accurate blast on the terminators before turning around and popping it on the sniper vets. The deredeo can pop a Rhino a turn without cover, and shy of the Spartan, there isn't any actual counter to the Rhinos I field. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315223-pride-of-the-legion-advice/#findComment-4207027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Which Legion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315223-pride-of-the-legion-advice/#findComment-4207391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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