Brother Heinrich Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Hey all, Just looking for an opinion on what (in your opinion) is the best of the Ceratus Knight chassis. After reading the rules for the Atropos I'm inclined to call it the champ seeing as it has a Str-D Melee Weapon, a 8" Range Str-D weapon, and a 36" range Str8 Ap2 Armourbane, Concussive pie plate weapon. Additionally it's ion shield acts like a flare shield and it has blessed autosimulcra. My next choice would be a Knight Acheron, just for looks, but I'd love to hear your thoughts everyone :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 All of them, with the Castigator possibly being the weakest of the bunch, are strong choices, imo, each with a different job in mind: Atrapos: Killing the BIGGEST Nasties. Barring the God-Machine that is the Warlord. Lancer: Killing Big Nasties Acheron: Burninating Fools and Ripping up Armor Castigator: Dealing with a single, large horde. Use em to fill a particular role in an army. To me, the best is the Atrapos followed Closely by the Acheron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Do not forget that the Castigator hits Invisible unit with his auto-hit. He is the perfect counter to invisible death stars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Points-wise the Atropos would be a direct drop-in for when I don't run Curze with my 2500 point Night Lord list.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Atropos, by a mile. FW is giving us a pick and choose weapons for Seneschals in the next book, IIRC, so that will be the true winner. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Atropos, by a mile. FW is giving us a pick and choose weapons for Seneschals in the next book, IIRC, so that will be the true winner. Is this another tidbit from the recent Open Day? Wow, I'm very excited for this. Here's hoping they even go so far as to add some extra resin arm options like electro-lashes or something. On topic, it's hard to go wrong with a Cerastus chassis. They're all good at what they do. The Atrapos is the easiest to drop into a list and expect it to perform though, which was a seat held by the Acheron until they released that Mechanicum monster. Remember that technically the Knights aren't LoW choices for Legions anymore... Just Mechanicum and allied as Questoris. But I bet your gaming group is cool with it. I don't see a problem anyway Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Imagine a Seneschal with two Warden Avenger Bolt Cannons and the Atropos Shield. Goodbye everything that isn't a terminator or vehicle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 If you have a main legion force, can you take an allied AdMech force to get one as a LoW? Or does it specify that you can only take a cerastus knight if your primary detachment is AdMech? I just feel that using two Knights (by allying) is a bit cheesy in beer and pretzels play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 Actually funny enough the Atrapos is the first Knight that has it specifically written in the rules that it can be a simple Lord of War choice. So technically it's the only Knight that can be singularly taken alongside Legion forces in the LoW slot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Its also the only one that can make full use of Occular Augmentics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Imagine a Seneschal with two Warden Avenger Bolt Cannons and the Atropos Shield. Goodbye everything that isn't a terminator or vehicle. I'm conflicted; on the one hand, that's awesome. On the other, I hope the Seneschal options aren't super abusable or come at a reasonable cost. I trust FW enough that it'll probably be fine though. If you have a main legion force, can you take an allied AdMech force to get one as a LoW? Or does it specify that you can only take a cerastus knight if your primary detachment is AdMech? I just feel that using two Knights (by allying) is a bit cheesy in beer and pretzels play. The latter. Your LoW is bound to your primary detachment in the main AoD force org chart. And two knights is nothing! I was looking into it and if they keep the Gallant the same price for the Questoris list, you can fit some 6 Knights into ~2250 by spamming 290 pt Aspirant Gallants Actually funny enough the Atrapos is the first Knight that has it specifically written in the rules that it can be a simple Lord of War choice. So technically it's the only Knight that can be singularly taken alongside Legion forces in the LoW slot. There are two boxes on the Atrapos rules pdf. The first is for AoD, the second is for 40k. AoD box only allows it as a LoW for Mechanicum or as part of a Questoris list unfortunately Again, I wouldn't be fussed if someone ran it as a LoW for Legions anyway, but I wouldn't want anyone reading this to get confused if they try and bring it to a competitive scene and get turned down. edit: reading through those boxes I've just realized the Atrapos is more easily available in 40k than 30k. Wat? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 @ LetsYouDown - 6 Gallants, eh? Use Contagium Mechanica. Shoot Knight. Go for a piss. Come back. Win game. Have a well-deserved cup of tea, stalwart hero of the land ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Actually there is a Limit on how many Aspirants you can have in a Questoris Army, thankfully :p But you can have quite a few of them. Ie: You cannot have more Aspirants than you have of any other Rank Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Atrapos is the best imo. Castigator is awesome for dealing with Invisibility, but I wouldn't take it for anything else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Actually there is a Limit on how many Aspirants you can have in a Questoris Army, thankfully But you can have quite a few of them. Ie: You cannot have more Aspirants than you have of any other Rank I'm well aware :P Otherwise I'm pretty sure you could get more than 6 nights into 2250. The list I was screwing around with had 3 Gallant Aspirants, a Crusader Arbalester... Seneschal Atrapos and something else. It was an Acheron with the rank that gives D6 wall of death instead of D3. That's assuming they use the same points for stuff as Codex: Imperial Knights, which they may well not... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Ah I see My MO for Knight lists is to abuse the Crap out of Arballester and Perceptor (The rank you're talking of). Usually is @ ~2500pts Seneschal - At this point, an Atropos Troops - Martial - <insert cheapest possible knight> Elites - Perceptor - Acheron +1 if I have the Points Heavy Support - Arballester - Styrix Arballester - Styrix Fast Attack - Uhlan - Lancer I can usually fit 5/6 Knights @ 2.5k Where Spamming Aspirants gives you quantity, this goes for TAC Type Deal. Planes on the Way? Skyfire + Tankhunter + Interceptor Styrix' with S8 Shooting makes short work oh them. Deep Striking Infantry? Intercepting Hellstorm Ap3 Flamers!....and anything else inside the Interceptor Bubble. Horde Problems, Such as Levy Squad Spam? CHOOM and Hellstorm Templates to the rescue! Hit & Run Knight Lancer for Slingshot Shenanigans! Seneschal Atrapos because its too good not to do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 they all do different jobs. Apples and oranges. Facing Enemy knights/Monstrous/Gargantuans? Lancer or Acheron. Facing enemies in Cover? Acheron. Terminators? Atropas or Castigator. Generak duties/all comers? Castigator. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 A Castigator can also do a decent job against flying targets with his twin-linked dakka. You will not assault afterwards in most cases though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4207996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Hesh and I made a good case about making the Uhlan an Atrapos. I mean the ionic flare shield eats a lot of shots to mitigate the reduced armor, and the scout helps it a lot since its weapons are so close ranged. You won't have to worry about the 24" range limit, as you'll scout 12", and then have a first turn move of 12" as well. Failing that, it's make a great Seneschel because it's ionic flare shield takes it to god tier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4208158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Atropos, by a mile. Yep. I have no idea what its rules are, and I couldn't care less. It's beautiful. It's the Magaera of the Cerastus-patterns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4208191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Atropos, by a mile. Yep. I have no idea what its rules are, and I couldn't care less. It's beautiful. It's the Magaera of the Cerastus-patterns. It certainly is a stunning Knight. I invested in a Warden literally the week before it was unveiled and I'm kicking myself. My Knightly budget is spent for the time being :-P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4208217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 I really like the Atropos except for the head and shoulderpads, they're not bad, but I just want the Lancer Shoulders and the Acheron head. Dammit why can't we have a build-a-knight feature. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4208267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Dammit why can't we have a build-a-knight feature. To anyone going to the soonest FW event, you know what to ask. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4208290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephrael Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I really like the Atropos except for the head and shoulderpads, they're not bad, but I just want the Lancer Shoulders and the Acheron head. Dammit why can't we have a build-a-knight feature. You could always get the Cerastus Knight Wing from FW plus the Atropos and have all of the parts to mix and match at your leisure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4208351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I really like the Atropos except for the head and shoulderpads Really? In the first Bulletin teaser, where they only showed the head and shoulders, I knew I wanted it as my first Knight. The fact the weapons are great, with rules to match, is gravy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315346-best-of-the-cerastus-chassis/#findComment-4208517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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