Canadian_F_H Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 It's coming so might as well start pondering it now... What do the new formations from kauyon bring for us with our Black Templar chapter tactics? Admitting that several of them are not fluffy, but neither are the gladius formations very fluffy for us. So I pose the premis of this discussion to be about the new crunch in our tool box more than fluff. (Tho fluff is still permissible as a topic, but most of it will be obvious already) I saw a turn off arrival assault from deep striking formation that seams very good and fluffy for us! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Shadow Force. 1 vanguard, one sternguard, one landspeeder, one captain. Everyone has move through cover, outflank, scout, and acute senses. Everyone also gets to reroll run moves, which is awesome with 3 die obviously. Attach the captain to a crusader squad of 20, and then have as many people as possible show up in the enemies backfield. Glorious. The ones which require scouts are unfluffy scout wise, fluffy when it comes to assaulting. I imagine people will end up justifying it sometimes. After all, someone has to do the chapter's scouting. That being said, it is a thorn in the side. Like the gladius. Use non templar units, and gain great bonuses, or stick to our colors and suffer for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4207883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_Roujakis Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Is there a "must choose Raven Guard Chapter Trait" rule attached to the Kauyon Formations or is it that any Chapter can take it? I don't have the book yet :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4207932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metic Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 the only thing that has the ravenguard chapter tactic limitations is the talon strike force, which is a replacement to the gladius. Also, anything that requires a 1captain or 1chaplain can be substituted for Grimaldus or Helbrecht! Just think, Helbrecht leading a crusader squad inside a LRC and outflanking it or scouting it up to guarantee that turn 2 charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4207934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Chaplain Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 The release of this raven guard/white scars book gives me hope that templars might get a similar treatment in the future. The fact of the matter is, we can't use the current demi company with crusader squads with how it is set up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4207943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 There are white scar formations to, not sure if any of them are ws chapter tactics only... But if not, you can get your mounted crusade on! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4208060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 There are some really great formations here that are easy to fit into lists. Shadow Force, Ravenhawk, Raptor Wing, all great formations. The only thing off limits to me is anything that requires scouts. Bladewing sounds like it's right up our alley, unfortunately it doesn't give any bonuses to CC so not sure how useful it will be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4208070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoPityNoRemorseNoFear Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 It all looks great! very promising and hopefully we will get some similar treatment! BT/ Salamanders Armageddon package maybe?That formation still looks really good, Helbrecht + 20 man crudade squad appearing on their flank, yes please! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4208330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 It's small enough you could run two of them and attach both captains to another crusader squad. 500 for 2 crusader squads, 200 for 2 captains, 220 for sternguard, 220 for vanguard. Throw in a techmarine HQ, you've got maybe 800 points for more support and upgrades. Would crush most Gunline armies. If it's not a gunline army, you don't have to outflank, just use the scout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4208352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Keep in mind too, that you can outflank those Crusader squads inside LRC's :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4208411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mattias Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 *ponders* I have never outflanked anything... Just deep strike, drop pod, scout and an itty-bitty teeny-weeny bit of infiltrate. Interesting - this may give me a whole'nother 'type' of list to build and play around with! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4208447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 They demoted Helbrecht to a Captain. I guess that explains the lack of Orbital Bombardment :lol: Just deep strike, drop pod, scout and an itty-bitty teeny-weeny bit of infiltrate. ~slowly slaps the paddleum into the palm of his hand~ Go on... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4208453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metic Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Don't forget, not only will you have a scouting outflanking land raider. But you'll also have move through cover, so no more worrying about going immobile on terrain so long as he is with the unit inside. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4208458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 They demoted Helbrecht to a Captain. I guess that explains the lack of Orbital Bombardment Just deep strike, drop pod, scout and an itty-bitty teeny-weeny bit of infiltrate. ~slowly slaps the paddleum into the palm of his hand~ Go on... Pedro is in there too. It's because the Chapter Master entry no longer exists, it's an upgrade for the Captain, hence Named CM's should be able to be taken. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4208495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mattias Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Sword Brethren! I'm old-school, baby! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4208560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 Man. A fully loaded land raider crusader outflanking sounds broken as hell! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4208590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metic Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Man. A fully loaded land raider crusader outflanking sounds broken as hell! don't forget, it has acute senses as well. And if you're taking helbrecht, which honestly you should be with this combo. You'll have fleet and hatred the turn you want to charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4208603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Man. A fully loaded land raider crusader outflanking sounds broken as hell! Yes may we break every heretic, traitor, and witch it runs into. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4208828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 Any cavalry fans have thoughts on the scars bike formations for mounted crusaders? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4212424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Honestly really liking the look of the Stormlance battle company. Since we don't use divination, a chance to get rerolls of any sort in shooting is super nice. Plus it's very mobile. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4212649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 Fair enough. Id also thinking the formation where we can jump back into our rhinos after shooting could be great for crusaders who do less assault and more danger close. Tons of rapid fire but safe back in armor! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4212746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 That is the Stormlance :P It grants rerolls to hit for when firing at units controlling an objective, and allows the rhino jump thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4212755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoPityNoRemorseNoFear Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Does anyone have a link for the stormlance formation? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4212793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1445766438576.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4212855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Blech, Tactical Squads. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315350-kauyon-crusade/#findComment-4212857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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