Canadian_F_H Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 Blech, Tactical Squads. :P Yeah I know. We kind of have to take all formations with salt nowadays... Especially all of the core ones... Seriously if the black Templar chapter tactics simply said "can substitute crusader squads instead of tactical squads in any formation...". We would be golden! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Blech, Tactical Squads. Yeah I know. We kind of have to take all formations with salt nowadays... Especially all of the core ones... Seriously if the black Templar chapter tactics simply said "can substitute crusader squads instead of tactical squads in any formation...". We would be golden! Or we can just continue to prove our superiority by annihilating the enemies of the Imperium without fancy, silly toys for the Codex adherent lot. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Yes, we can do a variety of things with a CAD. We can actually do more with a CAD now than we've ever been able to before. But there's no reason we should just be forbidden to use formations, which is the thing of 7th edition. Yeah, its never going to be 100% fluffy until they release proper Templar formations. But when is that gonna be? Will it even ever be? Since it's likely gonna be a while before we get our own formations, if we ever even do, why not enjoy other ones that we can technically still take? The difference between a tactical squad and crusader squad armed with all bolters (which is perfectly fluffy for Templar no matter how you try to turn it) is minute. Some of them even allow us to do things that are downright fluffy for us, such as the shadowforce something or other formation, that gives a vanguard and sternguard squad scout. Since we don't use Neophytes for scouting, that is actually very fluffy for us, since swordbrethren were our only stealth tactics employing unit back in 4th. EDIT: Probably came across as hostile, which was unneccessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoPityNoRemorseNoFear Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Can Devastator take heavy flamers? If so I could envisage a brilliant witch burning crusade about to appear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Centurion Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Could the BA use the formations? If the BT can use it, would the BA be allowed? They can take the units from most of them. For example: Stormlance Battle Demi-Company HQ: Chaplain 105 Pts -Jump Pack Troops: Tactical Squad 205 Pts (x2) -Drop Pod -+5 Marines -Multi-Melta -Meltagun -Combi-Melta Troops: Tactical Squad 200 Pts -Drop Pod -+5 Marines -Heavy Flamer -Flamer -Combi Flamer Heavy Support: Devastator Squad 145 Pts -Drop Pod -4 Heavy Bolters Fast Attack: Assault Squad 135 Pts -2x Meltagun -Inferno Pistol on Sgt -Power Sword That fits the formation, but can BA use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 No only Sternguard and LotD can take heavy flamers unfortunately. And no BA cannot take any of the formations from Kanyon. This is because they are not part of C:SM while BT are which is why we can take them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 It's a shame Ba,da,sw are segregated as they are. But that's a whole other can of worms... And OT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 You know what would cause rage? If and when we got our special formations, then they allowed for tactical/crusader squad substituting. You know GW will do it. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Let's stay on topic guys. There are no Templar formations nor any current rumors regarding them and this thread is about Templar-fying the RG and WS formations available to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Corbin Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I, for one, hope GW releases a batch of formations for y'all. Not sure how beaky I could make them, but it will be a quaint diversion. What do you Crusaders think of the formation where you drop in a dread and Sternguard in with a Stormraven? I mean, Sternguard are not as choppy as y'all would like, but having an Ironclad drop in will be hilarious. Also, the Stormraven can take Hurricane Bolters which, I believe, are a BT innovation. I believe a SR has Power of the Machine Spirit, so you can spread the dakka around. Plus, your opponent is gonna fire Interceptor? Now he has to decide between the Sternguard, the Dreadnought, or the Stormraven to shoot at. Plus, Targeted Strike is fluffy for y'all. I mean, the formation chooses an enemy unit when the Stormraven drops in, and the formation gets to reroll failed to-hit rolls for the rest of the battle. As in, "Damn, I missed that filthy witch." "No, look again brother, the Emperor's will be done." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I, for one, hope GW releases a batch of formations for y'all. Not sure how beaky I could make them, but it will be a quaint diversion. What do you Crusaders think of the formation where you drop in a dread and Sternguard in with a Stormraven? I mean, Sternguard are not as choppy as y'all would like, but having an Ironclad drop in will be hilarious. Also, the Stormraven can take Hurricane Bolters which, I believe, are a BT innovation. I believe a SR has Power of the Machine Spirit, so you can spread the dakka around. Plus, your opponent is gonna fire Interceptor? Now he has to decide between the Sternguard, the Dreadnought, or the Stormraven to shoot at. Plus, Targeted Strike is fluffy for y'all. I mean, the formation chooses an enemy unit when the Stormraven drops in, and the formation gets to reroll failed to-hit rolls for the rest of the battle. As in, "Damn, I missed that filthy witch." "No, look again brother, the Emperor's will be done." Yeah I like that formation because I like all those units anyway, so why not benefit with some extra special rules? Also note that the formation doesn't require the Sternguard and Dread to ride on the Raven. So they could drop in via pod or even start on the board ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Dalion_ Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 But you are not allowed to attack after the Stormraven arrived right? (Deepstrike special rule) I really liked the idea of deepstriking the SR. But without the option to attack in the same turn it comes in, it gets boring :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyustukyi Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I much prefer an infiltrating lrc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Corbin Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 You can't charge, no. You can drop in Combimelta Sternguard and an Ironclad with dual Flamers, to wipe a transport and its passengers off the table. The Ravenhawk Assault Group would be great in a Drop Pod list, with Locator Beacons on choice Drop Pods. You are right. They do not have to start the game in the Stormraven. So you can pod in the SG and an Ironclad individually on turn 1 (given enough other pods) and have a Techmarine start in the SR. When the SR arrives, you can pick them (all, some, or other units) up and taxi them to their next assault. The TM can repair the SR or the dread in-flight, and he'll join any unit that embarks. Also, the Kauyon fluff would have gone far better for the Imperium had a sizeable BT crusade joined the RG instead of the WS. Still, I realize the Tau have no witches, and offer no challenge in close combat, so y'all have other priorities. Still, I truly hope the Sons of Dorn are called in when the next volume is published. Sure, bring in the IF/CF, but the BT too. Reprint the WL traits y'all got in that WD, but add formations and relics for BT and for CF. This would be where GW could do formations where a Crusader Squad could be substituted for a Tactical Squad. Read this last paragraph carefully GW, a product like I just described will be very profitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 But you are not allowed to attack after the Stormraven arrived right? (Deepstrike special rule) I really liked the idea of deepstriking the SR. But without the option to attack in the same turn it comes in, it gets boring :/ No you can't charge, but it's because of the Reserve rules, not the Deep Strike ones ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Hurricane Bolters on a Storm Raven in that formation would be fluffy, but would not really use the formation powers much. HB are already twinlinked, and so the rerolls to hit would be less effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredone85 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Sorry for rookie questions but some of these formation rules have perked my interest. So takin one of the Raven guard formation makes them like an allied detachment right? Ie don't get Templar chapter tactics and should at least resemble ravengaurd? Someone mentioned outflank on the shadow force I think it was? But it only lists infiltrate on data sheet? Or are the 2 combined nowadays? Thanks Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metic Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 well, it gives you scout which allows you to scout/outflank/ all under 1 rule. And none of the new formations require you to be ravenguard/whitescars. Only their decurion style gladius strike force replacement requires you to be ravenguard/whitescars. So that means you can be a black templar or any other chapter and take the formations. Most of the formations even require a captain/chaplain that can be replaced with any of the named captain/chaplain characters from other chapters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredone85 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Ah yes sorry scout not infiltrate, thanks for clarification on all questions, I've got some VV that are itching to assault the turn they arrive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Ah yes sorry scout not infiltrate, thanks for clarification on all questions, I've got some VV that are itching to assault the turn they arrive Well they'll have to twiddle their thumbs for a turn because you can't assault out of reserves ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Acid Dog Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Ah yes sorry scout not infiltrate, thanks for clarification on all questions, I've got some VV that are itching to assault the turn they arrive Well they'll have to twiddle their thumbs for a turn because you can't assault out of reserves I thought Vanguard Veteran units from the Shadowstrike Kill Team formation could assault the same turn that they Deep Strike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Ah yes sorry scout not infiltrate, thanks for clarification on all questions, I've got some VV that are itching to assault the turn they arrive Well they'll have to twiddle their thumbs for a turn because you can't assault out of reserves I thought Vanguard Veteran units from the Shadowstrike Kill Team formation could assault the same turn that they Deep Strike? Yes but he was asking about the Shadow Force which does not have that rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredone85 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Sorry yes the shadow force does not have that rule, I'm looking at a few of them, the one with 2 VV and 2 scouts is one that can assault from ds from what I saw online. Plus no scatter if within 9" of scouts or somethings to that effect Edit: shadowstrike kill team is the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Acid Dog Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Ah yes sorry scout not infiltrate, thanks for clarification on all questions, I've got some VV that are itching to assault the turn they arrive Well they'll have to twiddle their thumbs for a turn because you can't assault out of reserves I thought Vanguard Veteran units from the Shadowstrike Kill Team formation could assault the same turn that they Deep Strike? Yes but he was asking about the Shadow Force which does not have that rule Oof. Cursed Raven Guard, with their Shadow-this and Shadow-that. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyustukyi Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 · Hidden by Acebaur, November 6, 2015 - pointless Hidden by Acebaur, November 6, 2015 - pointless Why can't we get a Supplement Link to comment
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