Naminé Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 So I just checked the codex again, fresh download. We MAY have Eviscerators that strike at Initiative now. The key line is the part of our codex that says: "Profiles for the following Melee weapons are listed in the Reference section." At which point, it lists weapons including the Eviscerator. Under our Reference section, Eviscerators no longer have the Unwieldy special rule. Now the conflict comes up in that the rest of the line quoted above states: "Their (these weapons) full rules can be found in Warhammer 40000: The Rules." Now bearing in mind, the rules that Codex always trumps rulebook where there is conflict... does this now mean we strike at Initiative with our Eviscerators? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Probably just another typo... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4208211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Mine still says 13th Oct 2013 for the published date, I'm assuming this doesn't change for updates? I've never noticed it being updating either way! Typo or not, by RAW Sisterhood evis will strike at initiative it appears. Might want to find the rule that specifies codex rules overriding the BRB ones first though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4208725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naminé Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 Mine still says 13th Oct 2013 for the published date, I'm assuming this doesn't change for updates? I've never noticed it being updating either way! Typo or not, by RAW Sisterhood evis will strike at initiative it appears. Might want to find the rule that specifies codex rules overriding the BRB ones first though I spent a good while scouring the rulebook for the various weapons rules, with a rules lawyer's cap on. It seems to state that all weapons have a profile, and that you use that profile to fight with. Of course the codex says that our profile is specifically in the reference section, and the rulebook still states that we use codex over rulebook when there is a conflict (Basic versus Advanced, under the Core Rules section). Guess that means we strike at Initiative for now then ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4208814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I've checked my current version, versus the one that is offered on my BL download page - the profile for the Eviscerator has exactly the same profile in both versions (it doesn't say anything about an update on the BL site...), so it's either a typo, or as Naminé said - Codex > rulebook Of course, the fluffy reason for no longer having "Unwieldy" is that Repentia have gained such skill in their use that they can wield them as well as a "normal" Chainsword Of course Faith! goes a long way Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4208875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaemie Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 My codex - iBooks version 1.7 release date 07 Nov 2013 - lists Eviscerators as Unwieldy, and I'll continue to play 'em that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4209036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeC Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 My codex certainly has unwieldy in the type for the Eviscerator (Reference section) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4209448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Mine is on the iPhone and has never been updated, perhaps that is the difference? The "enhanced" edition has the same publication date and neither mention versions! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4209451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naminé Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 For those who have the Unwieldy rule still in their codex reference section, can you please report on what version of the codex you are using and ensure you have a fresh download? It's clearly a mistake, but I wonder why GW keep tampering with the codex like this. It used to say Unwieldy in my version, and now it doesn't! For the record, mine is the .epub version. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4209459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Corsican Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I've got the eBook Edition from the Apple Store and it's missing the "unwieldy" rule. Does anyone know when this changed? I can't remember ever looking at that page too closely as they have always been unwieldy and I never had a reason to doubt it. Edit - I did email gamefaqs@gwplc.com with no response yet. If enough people ask the same question, we may get a response Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4209517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Mine is dated 13.06.14 and does not have Unwieldy Eviscerators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4209760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 For the record, mine is the .epub version. As is mine. It has the same date stamp as Miko's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4209824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Mine's the .mobi if that makes a difference. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4209854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Mine's the .mobi if that makes a difference. I downloaded both formats (wasn't sure which one I could use at the time), but aside from the format itself, as far as I can see, they're exactly the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4209859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I thought the digital editions were supposed to be the dawn of a new era with updates and that, but beneath the modern veneer it's still the same old bumbling GW :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4210533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 This is hilarious!REPENTIA AWAY!!!!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4210726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
graysparrow Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 *squees with joy* Now to find replacement models that look decent... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4211308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 However, does it make such a big difference? I3 is nothing to write home about. But hey, at least you will finish off that Knight before it stomp. So that is great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4211353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Knights, Necrons, Orks when you charge... Kans simultaneously... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4211377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 "Their full rules can be found in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules" is pretty crystal clear. You want the full rules, you have to refer to the rulebook, and that's going to tell you that they're unwieldy. It's obviously just a formatting error, there's a trailing comma where the rule has been truncated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4211432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 It is an error yes, but the great battle of RAW vs RAI doesn't end for a good reason :P I'm more concerned by the fact that there are different versions floating around when we should all have the same thing. When I get the time I'm going to delete and re-download mine to see what happens. I'll not hold my breath... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4211443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sororita Katya Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 ePub from the iTunes store says they are not unwieldy as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4211837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 It is an error yes, but the great battle of RAW vs RAI doesn't end for a good reason The reference sheet is not the rules. The clue is the name. The rules for Eviscerators are found in the main rulebook, as clearly stated in the codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4212275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naminé Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 It is an error yes, but the great battle of RAW vs RAI doesn't end for a good reason The reference sheet is not the rules. The clue is the name. The rules for Eviscerators are found in the main rulebook, as clearly stated in the codex. It also says you use the profile in the reference section. When you attack, you use a weapons profile. For us, that is the profile in the reference section, as the codex says. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4212296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Thank you both for highlighting my point Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315367-eviscerators-are-no-longer-unwieldy-for-sisters/#findComment-4212417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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