Quixus Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The recent rumours about a Heresy boxed game got me thinking about doing a single heresy army with the models, but I would still like to have two differently looking groups to more easily play the board game (different colours on the base rims are boring). So which Legions have subgroups in different colours? I'm particularly looking for paint schemes that were used on the included teams. here are several unique paint schemes for special units of the Legions, but those unfortunately won't help much because the regular units in the box aren't supposed to be painted that way (e.g. there are no PA Sons of Horus in Justaerin colours). So far I have come up with some which may or may not have already been around during the heresy and had different paint schemes during that time. I: Calibanite DA (green) - other DA (black) VII: Imperial Fists - Black Templars IX: Blood Angels - Amit's gang (Flesh Tearers) XII: Warhounds - World Eaters - Khornate World Eaters XIV: Dusk Raiders - Death Guard XVI: Luna Wolves - Sons of Horus Are there any others? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Catalun Reavers wear black like the Justaerin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStabby Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Very few of the "evolutions" of legion colors existed at the same time though, at least that's my impression. Like, you probably wouldn't see the XIIth rocking both Warhound and World Eater livery at the same time. For the Legions with specialized formations that's certainly different, or units of reknown type of deal, there is a lot of room to do all kinds of stuff you come up with that hasn't been spelled out. Oh, also there's the Predation fleet guys from the Raven Guard as well as far as the list goes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Given the size of each legion, I would say it's perfectly reasonable to assume that every legion had multiple sub-organizations that had alternative color schemes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The XIII originally (and for some time before it was phased out by stricter establishment of Ultramarin identity) had green pauldrons in the 4th chapter (the Aurorans) and black gauntlets on the Nemesis (Destroyer-heavy chapter) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Red talons ironhands with red instead of white Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Very few of the "evolutions" of legion colors existed at the same time though, at least that's my impression. Like, you probably wouldn't see the XIIth rocking both Warhound and World Eater livery at the same time. For the Legions with specialized formations that's certainly different, or units of reknown type of deal, there is a lot of room to do all kinds of stuff you come up with that hasn't been spelled out. Oh, also there's the Predation fleet guys from the Raven Guard as well as far as the list goes. There were a very small number of Warhounds in Betrayal, notably the first ever Legion master in his Contemptor and the Librarians. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsovitt Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The VIII legion support squads wear a white chest plate (or so i've seen in colour plates from FW HH Book 3 Massacre) so I'd imagine that if you can make up some sort of background and use part of the parent legions livery why you can't do whatever you want within reason... Reversed Livery, quartered or halved legion livery Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Word Bearers had a colour change too, grey to red. Did Amits Blood Angels actually wear different colours? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStabby Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Very few of the "evolutions" of legion colors existed at the same time though, at least that's my impression. Like, you probably wouldn't see the XIIth rocking both Warhound and World Eater livery at the same time. For the Legions with specialized formations that's certainly different, or units of reknown type of deal, there is a lot of room to do all kinds of stuff you come up with that hasn't been spelled out. Oh, also there's the Predation fleet guys from the Raven Guard as well as far as the list goes. There were a very small number of Warhounds in Betrayal, notably the first ever Legion master in his Contemptor and the Librarians. Interesting, I haven't read that. I just picked them as a point of reference because Angron feels like the primarch LEAST likely to be ok with legionnaires sporting the old livery. Angron gonna Angron. I would say that still feels like an outlier to me, but yeah, who knows. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Very few of the "evolutions" of legion colors existed at the same time though, at least that's my impression. Like, you probably wouldn't see the XIIth rocking both Warhound and World Eater livery at the same time. For the Legions with specialized formations that's certainly different, or units of reknown type of deal, there is a lot of room to do all kinds of stuff you come up with that hasn't been spelled out. Oh, also there's the Predation fleet guys from the Raven Guard as well as far as the list goes. There were a very small number of Warhounds in Betrayal, notably the first ever Legion master in his Contemptor and the Librarians. Interesting, I haven't read that. I just picked them as a point of reference because Angron feels like the primarch LEAST likely to be ok with legionnaires sporting the old livery. Angron gonna Angron. I would say that still feels like an outlier to me, but yeah, who knows. Actually Angron strikes me as one of the least likely to care haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The recent rumours about a Heresy boxed game got me thinking about doing a single heresy army with the models, but I would still like to have two differently looking groups to more easily play the board game (different colours on the base rims are boring). So which Legions have subgroups in different colours? I'm particularly looking for paint schemes that were used on the included teams. here are several unique paint schemes for special units of the Legions, but those unfortunately won't help much because the regular units in the box aren't supposed to be painted that way (e.g. there are no PA Sons of Horus in Justaerin colours). So far I have come up with some which may or may not have already been around during the heresy and had different paint schemes during that time. I: Calibanite DA (green) - other DA (black) VII: Imperial Fists - Black Templars IX: Blood Angels - Amit's gang (Flesh Tearers) XII: Warhounds - World Eaters - Khornate World Eaters XIV: Dusk Raiders - Death Guard XVI: Luna Wolves - Sons of Horus Are there any others? The Flesh Tearers definitely had the symbol however I believe they were still in the same colour scheme as the rest of the Blood Angels. The new anthology if that is anything to go bye has possibly Amit on the cover. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The recent rumours about a Heresy boxed game got me thinking about doing a single heresy army with the models, but I would still like to have two differently looking groups to more easily play the board game (different colours on the base rims are boring). So which Legions have subgroups in different colours? I'm particularly looking for paint schemes that were used on the included teams. here are several unique paint schemes for special units of the Legions, but those unfortunately won't help much because the regular units in the box aren't supposed to be painted that way (e.g. there are no PA Sons of Horus in Justaerin colours). So far I have come up with some which may or may not have already been around during the heresy and had different paint schemes during that time. I: Calibanite DA (green) - other DA (black) VII: Imperial Fists - Black Templars IX: Blood Angels - Amit's gang (Flesh Tearers) XII: Warhounds - World Eaters - Khornate World Eaters XIV: Dusk Raiders - Death Guard XVI: Luna Wolves - Sons of Horus Are there any others? The Flesh Tearers definitely had the symbol however I believe they were still in the same colour scheme as the rest of the Blood Angels. The new anthology if that is anything to go bye has possibly Amit on the cover. Yeah I didn't think they had different colours then either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Red talons ironhands with red instead of white The crimson heraldry I believe was mostly in use when it came to the Morragul Clan's Honour Guard rather than a replacement of the whole of the white for the clan unless I missed something, Mind you, I have not really read into the Morragul Clan that far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStabby Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Very few of the "evolutions" of legion colors existed at the same time though, at least that's my impression. Like, you probably wouldn't see the XIIth rocking both Warhound and World Eater livery at the same time. For the Legions with specialized formations that's certainly different, or units of reknown type of deal, there is a lot of room to do all kinds of stuff you come up with that hasn't been spelled out. Oh, also there's the Predation fleet guys from the Raven Guard as well as far as the list goes. There were a very small number of Warhounds in Betrayal, notably the first ever Legion master in his Contemptor and the Librarians. Interesting, I haven't read that. I just picked them as a point of reference because Angron feels like the primarch LEAST likely to be ok with legionnaires sporting the old livery. Angron gonna Angron. I would say that still feels like an outlier to me, but yeah, who knows. Actually Angron strikes me as one of the least likely to care haha. That could be a fair call too. Im just thinking along the lines of him putting his stamp on the legion, which is how him killing Gheer was presented before it got changed to him throwing a fit and murdering people who went to talk to him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Gorgon Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I was thinking of doing an imperial fists army with a similar colour scheme to the later iron knights chapter are there many alternate colour scheme heresy armies out there Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStabby Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I was thinking of doing an imperial fists army with a similar colour scheme to the later iron knights chapter are there many alternate colour scheme heresy armies out there I like this idea for mixing up color schemes, it makes sense to me that any of the 2nd founding chapters livery could be argued to have existed in some form during the days of the Legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmablasts Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 In First Heretic, the crimson livery of the Word Bearers was first worn by the Gal Vorbak before becoming more widespread, so the grey and the crimson would have coexisted for a time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsovitt Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'm guessing once the Heresy breaks out loyalist elements of traitor legions and survivors of the shattered legions and blackshields would need to differentiate their armour in some way to prevent 'friendly fire'... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I wouldn't call Dusk Raiders a sub-group of the XIVth Legion, seeing as they WERE the XIVth Legion until the discovery of Mortarion, at which point the heraldry, among many other things, were changed. The same goes for the War Hounds / World Eaters and a few others. Post-discovery of Mortarion, the Dusk Raiders were no more... although how much longer after he was reunited with the Legion / Imperium, we do not know. I'd assume a fair quick change. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4210882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Gorgon Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Isn't there fluff of loyalists on istvaan using the dusk raiders scheme again? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4211095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 I wouldn't call Dusk Raiders a sub-group of the XIVth Legion, seeing as they WERE the XIVth Legion until the discovery of Mortarion, at which point the heraldry, among many other things, were changed. The same goes for the War Hounds / World Eaters and a few others. Post-discovery of Mortarion, the Dusk Raiders were no more... although how much longer after he was reunited with the Legion / Imperium, we do not know. I'd assume a fair quick change. You are right of course, I was just to lazy to differentiate that different cause of multiple paint schemes. As I said in the initial post, the idea is to paint the models in a way that the to factions of the boxed game are easily identifiable yet you can still but them as a single army in a game of 30K/40K. Painting them as Ultramarines and Word Bearers and then playing them as EC in 30K would be weird, wouldn't it, well at least red plus blue does make purple. Isn't there fluff of loyalists on istvaan using the dusk raiders scheme again? I don't remember that, but Iacton Qruze repainted his armour in Luna Wolves colours. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4211110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Gorgon Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Think it's mentioned in one of the forge world books Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4211124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Its Mentioned in Book IV that Loyalist Elements of the Death Guard started Reverting to their Dusk Raider Scheme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4211131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Definitely seems like there's tons of cases across the legions. Extermination shows IF veterans of the War of the Howling Gyre wearing predominantly black armour. Palatine Blades in the EC were characterised by plantinum blazoning, though not universally, probably as this was an informal cross-company/millenial formation. The Alpha Legion Effrit Stealth Squad mentioned in Legion wore black but then Extermination mentions that the designation 'Effrit' appears to have been applied at different times to destroyers, headhunters, veterans and saboteurs, so it's not entirely clear if this was a more widespread thing. It's the Alphas anyway, who knows. All these cases seem to be spread throughout their respective legions, rather than something like the IF 1st company wearing black or IH Clan Morragul honour guard wearing some red. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315457-legion-subgroups-with-different-paint-schemes/#findComment-4211201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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