wilks Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Hi guy, Now that the plastic heresy game is coming out, I can finally make myself a heresy/ scouring force, however one issue I have is while the infantry is sorted I would like to eventually add some vehicles. What I would like to know is are the current plastic marine vehicles suitable for a heresy/scouring force or are they way more advanced for the time period? I am mainly referring to Land raiders, Predators and vindicators. I would just like to know if the Forgeworld variants are mainly for aesthetic value as I can get two plastic tanks for the price of one forge world one and the only real differences seem minor like side vents and rounded turret tops. All help is appreciated, Cheers guys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 With how technology works, the inverse would apply. 40k vehicles are actually less advanced. So youd have a more restricted selection going forward post scouring/heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4211843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amayasu Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 This is worth reading - http://twentyfirstlegion.com/2014/06/19/a-beginners-guide-to-horus-heresy-part-3-vehicle-model-selection/ - some of them are perfectly valid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4211848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 For Space Marines, you're fine to use Whirlwinds, Vindicators, Land Raiders, and Rhinos in plastic. In 30k they're often just called the Mars pattern and are supposedly a little less common but easy to produce (thus why they become more common after the devastation of the heresy). Predators are fine too, but remember that the Predator Annihilator TL Lascannon variant doesn't exist yet, and 30k Predator load-outs include a bunch of cool weapons that aren't in the regular 40k Predator kit. Executioner plasma cannon/Flamestorm cannon/Magna-Melta/Conversion Beamer can all be converted for cheaper than buying the FW conversion kits though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4211871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Land Raider Crusaders and Redeemers do not exist either. Well, Mechanicum can get varied sponsons, which includes Flamestorm Cannons, but not SM. I think the best way going about this is not glueing the weapons and make them interchangeable for use in 30k and 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4211904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Basically you can use all the chassis variants - they are mars pattern, just use the right weapons :) Land Raider Crusaders and Redeemers do not exist either. Well, Mechanicum can get varied sponsons, which includes Flamestorm Cannons, but not SM. I think the best way going about this is not glueing the weapons and make them interchangeable for use in 30k and 40k. Sadly ... the Macroblahblah Explorator in the red book has not the same options as the Mechanicum LR in betrayal, and is missing the flamestorm cannons - someone really should ask FW if the Mechanicum LR is really no longer valid :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4211905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilks Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Thanks for all the help guys really appreciated. There are that I just thought I would check as well. In the link Amayasu helpfully put up it says that the current marine style of dreadnought is also in use is this true? as I have never seen it portrayed as far as I know in any heresy novels I have read so far. I thought Only contempors were around at this time. and also just to check that the plastic current Landspeeder is also acceptable, again is it just another variant at the time? Also if it helps I will more then likely be going with the Imperial fists legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4211949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yep, box-Dreads (Castra-Ferrum pattern) do exist in 30k. Again, they have some different weapon load-outs from 40k. For example Assault Cannons in their 40k incarnation are in the experimental stage in 30k and the boxes can't mount them, but they can mount Volkite Culverin beam weaponry (awesome). The reason you see Contemptors more often is because... uhm, they're cool, and if you're writing on the Heresy you tend to want to use the toys unique to the Heresy. I think that's the only reason. Plastic Landspeeders can also be used, yes :) And, actually, attack bikes too now that I think on it. Again, different weapon load-outs. Land Speeders can take Graviton Rifles (NOT 40k Grav, they are different). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4211979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I think the Death Guard dread in FotE is a box dread. Not 100% positive on that however. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4211984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I take the FW site as a good indicator. They have the current style dreads and Mars pattern rhino upgrades listed under Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4211991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 General 40k vehicles can be used: Rhinos, standard Landraider, Whirlwinds, Vindicator, Predators (no TL lascannon variant, however) They are simply the Mars pattern variant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4212071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Can I use 40k rhinos for 30k I want to Put alpha doors on them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4212084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Can I use 40k rhinos for 30k I want to Put alpha doors on them You definitely can. In fact, you may notice the Legion Rhino door accessories don't even fit on Deimos pattern Rhinos anyway. 30k Mars pattern all the way yo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4212086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Hmmm... What about sm flyers and anti air vehicles? (Idk much about heresy armies in detail, sorry) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4212098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Hmmm... What about sm flyers and anti air vehicles? (Idk much about heresy armies in detail, sorry)Everything but the Storm Raven and Hunter Tanks I believe. Oh and those DA-only flyers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4212099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 So actually, none of the 40k plastic-only flyers :P Only stuff made by FW in the air in 30k, unfortunately. Or fortunately? They look better, at least. And who knows, if this plastic 30k thing takes off maybe we'll see plastic Storm Eagles... would sure be nice to not have to deal with that kit in resin ever again Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4212113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Basically you can use all the chassis variants - they are mars pattern, just use the right weapons :) Land Raider Crusaders and Redeemers do not exist either. Well, Mechanicum can get varied sponsons, which includes Flamestorm Cannons, but not SM. I think the best way going about this is not glueing the weapons and make them interchangeable for use in 30k and 40k. Sadly ... the Macroblahblah Explorator in the red book has not the same options as the Mechanicum LR in betrayal, and is missing the flamestorm cannons - someone really should ask FW if the Mechanicum LR is really no longer valid :/ Oh, it lost Flamestorm? Well, Nevermind. It got Irradiation Engines instead. Same thing :P Haven't looked at the Macroraid entry as of yet, mostly because my red book is still on order. But my point still lands. You better learn to love Lascannons :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4212119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 The various flyers aren't used during the Heresy, so no Stormravens or Talons. Because of the various Mortis Dreads, and the fantastic Deredeo, skyfire and Anti Air defense is a lot more accessible in 30k armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4212226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Centurion Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Couldn't you also use Land Speeders? Iirc the LACAL has Land Speeders under FA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4212231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yes, since FW hasn't released models for them, its assumed you'll use the land speeders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4212235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Centurion Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yes, since FW hasn't released models for them, its assumed you'll use the land speeders. They made Javelin speeders, but they have their own entry right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4212237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yes, since FW hasn't released models for them, its assumed you'll use the land speeders. They made Javelin speeders, but they have their own entry right? That's right, it's a separate unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4212238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilks Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 Thats a real relief that the standard plastic vehicles are suitable for use, bar a few minor weapon adjustments. I might just get away with an entire plastic heresy army after all Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4212294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 There is actually an image in Extermination if the mk2 rhino chassis. That's a FW rubber stamp of approval in my book. I have a plastic vindicator I need to build and paint for my army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4212295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darog Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 yes! All rhinos, LR, speeders, dread, etc are ALL TOTALLY VALID for HH games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315497-current-plastic-vehicles-suitable-for-heresy-era/#findComment-4213115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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