PastelAvenger Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Unless I've missed something and got it wrong no one has mentioned the lion helm! Will it have similar rules to 40k do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4217142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastelAvenger Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Unless I've missed something and got it wrong no one has mentioned the lion helm! Will it have similar rules to 40k do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4217159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphrael Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Haven't we already covered this in detail in this thread from 2014? Granted, we've received rules for a few more primarchs since then, but I don't think our expectations for the Lion--or the justifications for those expectations--have changed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4217220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Unless I've missed something and got it wrong no one has mentioned the lion helm! Will it have similar rules to 40k do you think? Probably. Makes sense. I'm actually more interested in the design. MKVII doesn't really fit with the Heresy for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4217304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Choking out someone is a form of domination, showing that the life of someone is literally in your hands. Although Cudze might have wanted the Lion dead, he would have appreciated the dramatic and choking the lion despite its inefficiency (Guilliman able to survive in the void for 10 minutes (hours?)), says more about things. Right...I mean OK...I guess Curze had a sadistic Bond villain moment  His lightning claws aren't over his fingers, he still has his hands free for all his choking needs. The question is...why wouldn't he extend them to just kill the Lion then and there? I guess sadism Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4217333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I think the point was it was like brothers fighting, too emotional. All technique and thought goes out the window. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4217344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 He was just giving him a Nostraman hug until Corswain had to misinterpret it and start a fight. Â Cultural barriers mess up everything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4217360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I think the point was it was like brothers fighting, too emotional. All technique and thought goes out the window. Sounds plausible. Curze is a lunatic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4217371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Nostraman hug like a Glasgow Smile. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4217601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Nostraman hug like a Glasgow Smile. Â Or a Colombian necktie? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4217856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphrael Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Glasgow Smile? I always thought it was a Glosgow Kiss...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4218264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I prefer the Chicago Smile. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4218265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I prefer the Chicago Smile. Ahem. Â It's called the Chicago high five. Â And by high five, I mean the hands touch each other and money from one hand magically goes to the other XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4218294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Well I meant the euphemism for curb stomp, but sure that works too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4218297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Well I meant the euphemism for curb stomp, but sure that works too. Lol unfortunately, Chicago - known as Chi-raq is not above really horrible things like that as evidence of this past week. Anywho, has Simon Egan mentioned anything about sculpting the Lion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4218300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I doubt anything will be said of the Lion anytime soon, he still doesn't have rules and there's 3 Primarchs that still don't have models yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4218312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Glasgow Kiss is a headbutt, Glasgow smile is when you cut someone ear to ear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4218349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Though I'm a wolf at heart, the Lion should rank just below Horus on average: great warrior (not particularly duellist for me), great tactician... but prone to incredible fits of rage: possibly he may get a rule to go on a small rampage each time he loses a unit or a hp ? Â Also, I seem to remember him having his own personal arsenal, as he likes using different kinds of weapons for different enemies (pretty much the logical way to go), so I would actually give him several weapon options, rather than stances. He could also have several different weapons on him at each battle: one for big guys, one for puny guys... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4219801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphrael Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Bouts of rage is a relatively new character element for the Lion, inspired by Gav's amateur, fumbling attempt to make him appear to have emotions. Jonson used to be characterised by being slow to anger but slow to forgive, in contrast to Russ who was quick to anger but also quick to laugh/forgive. This was in some of the original material on 'The Lion and Wolf' and in my opinion is much more fitting with the archetype of the character. I don't think it should be brought up at all, let alone represented in the rules.  As for having a significant personal arsenal, yes the Lion did have one... but so did all the other primarchs. It is in no way a defining characteristic of the character, especially when we remember he's one of the few primarchs with a famous weapon: the Lion Sword. It's fitting for both his knightly theme as well as the 40k lore, i.e. Cypher carrying the broken sword of the Lion to the Emperor for forgiveness (or whatever his true purpose is). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4219845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 He actually just wants to ask the Emps to start up an In-and-Out Burger joint on the Rock :D Â But wouldn't that be cool if the Emperor could reforge the sword and get off his butt to lead the Dark Angels like he did the 1st legion of old? That would be super symbolic and pretty awesome. I mean, it'll never happen, but hey, I can hope. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4219864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Well, if Gav Thorpe has his way, the Lion's special rules will be to cry and make babies, and it will be finally revealed that "he" is the one and only female Primarch. All the gruffness is just Liona being a tsundere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4219891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrahawk Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I will be very disappointed if Thorpe's characterization of the Lion has any effect on how he is portrayed in the FW material (especially that moment). Older studio material, A D-B and Abnett all the way! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4219977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I will be very disappointed if Thorpe's characterization of the Lion has any effect on how he is portrayed in the FW material (especially that moment). Older studio material, A D-B and Abnett all the way! No Scanlon or Lee either! I actually thought that novella (apart from that bit!) was Gavs best. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4220096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphrael Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Â I actually thought that novella (apart from that bit!) was Gavs best. I agree, but all that does is highlight just how bad Gav's characters are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4220222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 You are talking about Nemiel right ? Nearly as bad as Arutha :cry: :cry: :cry: Thing is, I don't know all that much about the Lion, but it always seemed to me like he got miffed at Russ pretty fast ? I agree about the Lion Sword, but I also hope Forge World doesn't fall into the trap of just making the Dark Angels Space Knights. If there are six wings, plus the bulk of troops, then the Lion should represent at least several possibilities. I also think that it would make him unique compared to the other Primarchs and Special Characters (like Corswain) to have options like this (though of course others also have small options, like Perty's Forgebreaker): perhaps an option for shooty weapons, linked with the Lion Sword ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315503-where-do-you-think-the-lion-will-rank-table-top-wise/page/5/#findComment-4221664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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