Demus Ragnok Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I was under the impression that Sangs psykerness was similar Konrad in that it was more prophetic dreams and such like. Anyway i dont see him being a psyker in game. Top tier in close combat though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Oh yeah! Completely forgot he was a precog. Man worst IX legionnaire ever...I bring shame to the family. Edit: This could reflect a bonus to reserve or seize the initiative... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I imagine he'll share Horus's statline but with I7. Hell, possibly even WS9, this is goddamn Sanguinius we're talking about. Horus is the measure by which primarchs are judged, but Sanguinius is the measure by which Horus judges himself. I think after Magnus he'll be the hardest to do, because there's so much he has to live up to.Maybe he could have a reverse of the Butcher's Nails - each Blood Angel unit within X range of him that gets wiped out gives him a buff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 He'll be the strongest one. No question. He'll be more points than Horus being more manoeuvrable. His troops love him so will get major buffs. Spear and sword options would be nice, but I'm not sure how they differentiate them (maybe a sweep attack?). He'll also have some sort of Divination or his own powers. Once had a GW employee joke about "WS:D" for his stats. He'll be able to take out anything bar "Chaotic Horus" who I can see being able to mind bullet warlords into the dust. (a few beers down and I need to say he'll a lot it seems :P) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Why a spear, is he known for wielding a spear? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 The vomit-inducing James Swallow books had a spear as one of his relics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Why a spear, is he known for wielding a spear? Not sure, every piece of artwork I've ever seen has him with a blade, including the one of him laid low at Horus' feet (the blade is snapped in two, laying to his left on the stairs) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 From my understanding, all of his psychic powers had to do with clairvoyance and premonition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yeah I dont even remember him using the spear in Fear to Tread. Its just a relic and I think it'd be good to diversify the primarchs a bit more. Too many swords. And it makes a little more sense as a CCW for a guy who flies. He can just hover around poking people at whim. "Poke, you're dead! Poke, you're dead!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yeah I dont even remember him using the spear in Fear to Tread. Its just a relic and I think it'd be good to diversify the primarchs a bit more. Too many swords. And it makes a little more sense as a CCW for a guy who flies. He can just hover around poking people at whim. "Poke, you're dead! Poke, you're dead!" Too many swords?? What is this nonsense! Can never have too many swords. Actually, fun fact: out of all the Primarchs that have rules right now (13) only three have swords. Fulgrim, Guilliman, and Dorn (actually a gigantic executioner chainblade). So.. I guess I really would argue we don't have enough swords right now! :P Then again, 4 out of 5 of the unreleased primarchs will probably have swords. Russ, the Lion, Sanguinius, and the Khan... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 That'll still be nearly half with swords when the're all released. Maybe my issue has more to do with "x Primarch is the besterest swordsman ever". Fulgrim, Sanguinius, The Khan, The Lion. Give them different weapons and you can break it up a bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 WS8, if not 9 to match Angron, S6 with a +1 Strength Sword, T6, 6 Wounds, 5, maybe 6 attacks, 2+/4++, Jump Pack, Hit and Run, AP2 D3 Impact Hits, Furious Charge (for a S8 charge). Armourbane Pistol. Perhaps allows Assault from Deep Strike, or super accurate Deep Strike for him and his unit. Possibly a +1 to Seize the Initiative, or reroll if the BA fail it. Perhaps some form of "okay, I'm going to start trying now", giving bonus stats. Perhaps reroll misses and failed wounds in a challenge when under half wounds. Sire of the BA Rules; all BA gain Rage when he is killed. Jump Pack equipped units can Deep Strike from Reserve on the first turn. Treat him as a Nuncio Vox for that purpose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I imagine he will be ranked on par with Horus for the eventual duel in the throne room legendary mission. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yeah I feel like he should be on-par with current Horus, possibly even able to beat him as it's only due to his chaos roids that he smashes Sanguinius at Terra and even gives his Dad a run for the money. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I think and hope he'll be in the top-tier of primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Ahem, XIth legion is 11 in Roman numerals. IXth legion is 9th ;) *gets off high horse* Now write it over all the walls a thousand times or I'll cut your nuts off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 He should be able to go toe to toe with Horus imo. The only reason he lost to Horus was because he'd spent ages defending the palace and breaking Bloodthirsters over his knees. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 And Horus was on God-juice. EDIT: Which kind of reinforces the point of him being top-tier, seeing how he held out for awhile instead of just evaporating. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 And Horus was on God-juice. EDIT: Which kind of reinforces the point of him being top-tier, seeing how he held out for awhile instead of just evaporating. He also gave Angron the evil eye of death that he must have learned from a Polish mother. It'll stop anyone dead in their tracks, even stone cold maniacs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 But then Russ says Horus is the only one who he is not sure he can beat. Implying he "knows" he can beat Sanguinius. Of coarse that's Russ own assessment, so... The top tier, fluff wise, of the unreleased primarchs (Sanguinius, Russ, The Lion) are going to be tough to balance and i wouldn't be suprised if we see some major upsets around their rules. To bring it back to topic and the question, thats where I think Sanguinius should be ranked. Top 5. With Horus, Russ, The Lion and Guilliman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Then again, doesn't most legions and/or primarchs consider themselves the greatest and being the best, apart from some obvious ones(lorgar, alpharius, propably rogal dorn and perturabo too) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Russ says that after Angron nearly killed him to death quite easily, so nuts with him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 @Rakta: You mean in the duel that Russ had in order to try and fail to teach Angron a lesson. Yea, thats a good measure of Russ's abilities *sarcasm* Let's remember that when Horus kills Sanguinius, Sanguinius had only landed one blow on Horus and Horus chose to use his bare hands to kill SAnguinius. Im not saying Sanguinius is crap, I think he should be in the top 5 (Horus, Angron, Sanguinius, Russ and the Lion) but him equaling Horus pre or post chaos is unlikely in my opinion. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Horus was by that point a god fuelled by the powers of chaos, and Sanguinius had been fighting for days without rest on Terra. Hardly a fair contest, and that's coming from a massive Horus fan who isn't fond of Sanguinius in the slightest. I don't think he should be as good a Primarch v Primarch fighter as Horus is, but I'd expect him to be very close pre-Chaos. The Talon of Horus pretty much makes Horus the ultimate Primarch v Primarch brawler, as it should be - he is the most dangerous Primarch, see the introduction to Conquest. Post-Chaos, nobody comes close to Horus except the big E. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I think that top group should be pretty tight. Always seen Horus as the first amongst equals, not superior (probably natural for a DA player, right? ;) ). Personally wouldn't have included Angron in the top 5. Unless you're talking just combat. Guillimans rounds out my top 5. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/2/#findComment-4212780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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