depthcharge12 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Almost like a reverse primus medicae rule? That sounds kinda cool. Like every BA infantry unit within 12" of Sanguinius that is destroyed, lose a VP on a 4+. Sanguinius gains rage and crusader and must charge the killing unit if able? Make him a total beast in combat, but make him susceptible to being manipulated by the enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Centurion Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 Yeah that's what I was thinking, sorta like Red Thirst on super steroids, also kinda debuffs him, which I think he would need. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Sanguinius imo, shouldn't necessarily be a super strong combat Primarch, though definitely one of the better ones. He should be all about movement. Eg: he can move 12" and runs 2d6, he can only be hit by snapshots in the shooting phase unless he's joined a unit, he should have a str8 vector Strike if jumping over a unit. His sword should be str - user, fleshbane, ap2. He should be equipped with a secondary weapon of some kind to potentially deal with vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Centurion Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 So his Inferno Pistol, but it would get buffed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Yeah, an Inferno Pistol that could also be used in cc and hits on a 2+ Something like that would make sense :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Eh. 12" Range S8 AP1 Pistol with Armourbane. No need for anything more fancy or complicated imho. Gives him a decent armour busting hit to rip through Transports before a charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
drooling blood Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Almost like a reverse primus medicae rule? That sounds kinda cool. Like every BA infantry unit within 12" of Sanguinius that is destroyed, lose a VP on a 4+. Sanguinius gains rage and crusader and must charge the killing unit if able? Make him a total beast in combat, but make him susceptible to being manipulated by the enemy. Now Im imagining Sangy to be a gobbo fanatic. Perhaps if some BA are in hth, he can choose to redeploy at their location anywhere on the table,once per game. Precog dreams, make it a 4-6 and he can. May DS wherever he damn well likes, including straight into hth, all deploying airbourne troops with 12" can do the same. If x amount of casualties are caused within 12 he might end up with ws/bs 1, recovers next turn. But all BA gain +1 to all stats till then. Must move to his position if able to. SW and BA should be fairly close as a army. The SW thought they were, untill they ended up on a plate. Blood drop formation. If sang flaps ahead, all BA within 12 must follow, +d6 movement bonus Jumpers, +2 foot troops, and finish within x or in hth with a enemy squad, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Too complicated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 No formations in 30k, for the love of God. Rites of War are fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Centurion Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 NO! No more formations... please no... RoW are good enough. Not too limiting, (Except Angel's Wrath, but that one sucks), but not OP either, just adding variety. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Sanguinius imo, shouldn't necessarily be a super strong combat Primarch, though definitely one of the better ones. He should be all about movement. Eg: he can move 12" and runs 2d6, he can only be hit by snapshots in the shooting phase unless he's joined a unit, he should have a str8 vector Strike if jumping over a unit. So...Corax then? Because he gets pretty much all those rules already Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Pretty much. He's a winged, flying Primarch... it feels like his rules should be based around mobility and evasion ahead of simply a close combat beat-stick. He should definitely be powerful, mind, but I never got the impression that he was renowned for his combat prowess more so than being a figure of awe and inspiration. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Sanguinius imo, shouldn't necessarily be a super strong combat Primarch, though definitely one of the better ones. He should be all about movement. Eg: he can move 12" and runs 2d6, he can only be hit by snapshots in the shooting phase unless he's joined a unit, he should have a str8 vector Strike if jumping over a unit. His sword should be str - user, fleshbane, ap2. He should be equipped with a secondary weapon of some kind to potentially deal with vehicles. Except he is incredibly strong in close combat. - Beat Ka'Banda in hand to hand (Greater demon of Khorne) - Beat Kyriss in hand to hand (Greater demon of Slaanesh) - Beat Ka'Banda AGAIN at the walls of Terra - Strong enough to breach the armour of chaos-infused Horus... you know... the guy who almost killed the Emperor? All of which occurred AFTER fighting for days on end and sustaining scores of wounds in combat against tides of demonic filth. Am I a Blood Angel fan? Yes. However a Spade is a Spade. Sanguinius is a murder-storm that most underestimate because the dude is nice enough to help you move your furniture on a weekday. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Yeah, but Lorgar beat a greater deamon of Khorne, and he is widely considered one of, if not the weakest of the Primarchs. I fully expect any of the Primarchs to be able to overcome a greater deamon.... Edit** Lorgar actually beat an Eldar avatar and bested Ann'grath in combat! So yes, Sangunius is strong... like a Primarch. His rules should definitely focus on his flight, as well as morale boosting and deployment altering tactics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 What makes Sanguinius unique and renowned isn't being the same as Corax. Sure, being winged gives him more maneuverability than the others, but at the same time he's renowned for beating up many blood thirsters, who on top of being beatsticks in combat, are also winged, lessening his advantage; to me this shows he's more of a fighter than a Corax clone EDIT: Heinrich Ninja'd me good. Corax's rules are focused on his tactical uses that really draw from both his and the Raven Guard's fluff as a whole, being hit and run tactics; stealth; lightning strikes; disruption. He's hard to hit because in the fluff he can go invisible, he gets to vector strike because in the fluff he chewed through Gal Vorbak en route to beating up Lorgar. He gets all of the slipperiness because the RG's whole thing is attack, withdraw, and attack again. Now this isn't saying Sangy shouldn't get some similar things, like vector strike as wings are pretty big, but his fluff focuses on him fighting the most deadly close combat people in the setting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Yeah, but Lorgar beat a greater deamon of Khorne, and he is widely considered one of, if not the weakest of the Primarchs. I fully expect any of the Primarchs to be able to overcome a greater deamon.... Edit** Lorgar actually beat an Eldar avatar and bested Ann'grath in combat! So yes, Sangunius is strong... like a Primarch. His rules should definitely focus on his flight, as well as morale boosting and deployment altering tactics. You mean the Avatar that was dying in the Eye and crawling through the dirt? Fulgrim at least killed one at the height of it's power. Also remember that after Ascension Lorgar was powerful enough to freeze horus in place and became a total badass. Pre-ascension he was getting carved up like Christmas ham on Istvaan by Corax and would have died if Papa Night hadn't shown up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I would allow Sanguinius to assault flyers and swooping monstrous creatures. In terms of stats I think something along the lines of: WS8 BS6 S6 T6 W6 I7 A5 LD10 2+ 4++ Sword Sanguine: Str - User, Ap2, Fleshbane, Mastercrafted, Murderous Strike Pistol of the Inferno: Str 8, Ap1, Armourbane Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I think allowing him to assault Flying things is cool, the one problem is that it's super rare to see any FMCs currently as you have to be word bearers with some daemon friends to get one Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 But, if you do play sangy vs 40k armies and he can assault FMCs, seeing the Nid/Chaos Flying Circus' Players faces when Sangy goes "Oh hell naw" and straight up butchers them in the air would be priceless :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I would allow Sanguinius to assault flyers and swooping monstrous creatures. In terms of stats I think something along the lines of: WS8 BS6 S6 T6 W6 I7 A5 LD10 2+ 4++ Sword Sanguine: Str - User, Ap2, Fleshbane, Mastercrafted, Murderous Strike Pistol of the Inferno: Str 8, Ap1, Armourbane Pretty much what I'd imagined.Chuck in Heinrich's precognition, jump troop buffs and destroyed unit rules and I'd be pretty happy. I think he also needs some sort of "aura of The Angel" rule. All primarchs have that inspiring presence but Sanguinius is The Angel. (Note, I haven't got my rulebooks with me so I can't remember the finer details of the "Primarch" rule.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I would allow Sanguinius to assault flyers and swooping monstrous creatures. In terms of stats I think something along the lines of: WS8 BS6 S6 T6 W6 I7 A5 LD10 2+ 4++ Sword Sanguine: Str - User, Ap2, Fleshbane, Mastercrafted, Murderous Strike Pistol of the Inferno: Str 8, Ap1, Armourbane Pretty much what I'd imagined.Chuck in Heinrich's precognition, jump troop buffs and destroyed unit rules and I'd be pretty happy. I think he also needs some sort of "aura of The Angel" rule. All primarchs have that inspiring presence but Sanguinius is The Angel. (Note, I haven't got my rulebooks with me so I can't remember the finer details of the "Primarch" rule.) Pretty much an amalgam of IWND, Eternal Warrior, Fear, Adamantium Will, Fleet, and Fearless) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Thanks! Then Maybe a +1WS to friendly units and -1WS to enemies with 6"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I'd give him an inspiring presence rule. All units re roll morale and pinning checks. Units within 6" gain +1WS and 1+ Initiative (similar to what Corbulo does in 40k) He should also have a precognition buff: granting re-rolls for reserves and to seize the Initiative. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 What about his inspiring presence also acting like a Legion Standard and giving Fearless to all units in 6"? I mean if I was a Son of The Angel and I saw him Charge the foot of a Warlord, I'd probably follow him there 'cuz Goddamn Daddy Sangy is Awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Yeah, maybe that would make more sense then boosting ws and initiative to nearby units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/4/#findComment-4213482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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