Gaius Atticus Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I'd like him posed like Arnie in that scene in Predator where he does the manly handshake with Carl Weathers. And the base would be one of those Ferrus/Fulgrim joint bases that makes up part od the walls of Terra. On top of the other half of the base would be Dorn posed like Carl Weathers in that scene in Predator where he shakes hands with Arnie. In terms of ability he should be up there with the best i.e. as good as Horus, above Russ and Guilliman, and the ability to take on Angron and Perturabo (let's face it, the IW's are popular behind the scenes so they will have an amazing Primarch and the Fists will get a feeble Dorn) in combat. I like Guilliman's skill that reflects his ability to adapt to his enemies in combat by improving the longer a duel continues. I think Sanguinius should have a similar skill, except it is linked to either game time or units lost to represent of form of the Black Rage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4213913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I'd like him posed like Arnie in that scene in Predator where he does the manly handshake with Carl Weathers. And the base would be one of those Ferrus/Fulgrim joint bases that makes up part od the walls of Terra. On top of the other half of the base would be Dorn posed like Carl Weathers in that scene in Predator where he shakes hands with Arnie. In terms of ability he should be up there with the best i.e. as good as Horus, above Russ and Guilliman, and the ability to take on Angron and Perturabo (let's face it, the IW's are popular behind the scenes so they will have an amazing Primarch and the Fists will get a feeble Dorn) in combat. I like Guilliman's skill that reflects his ability to adapt to his enemies in combat by improving the longer a duel continues. I think Sanguinius should have a similar skill, except it is linked to either game time or units lost to represent of form of the Black Rage. But....bu....but what about Weathers and Stallone as Apollo Creed and Rocky Balboa?!?!?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4213927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 It would be awesome to get a more subdued pose as well, I mean this is still my hands-down favorite piece of artwork for Dad: http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/mv8830/Primarch_Sanguinius_Victorious_zpsacdeysld.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4214242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 It would be awesome to get a more subdued pose as well, I mean this is still my hands-down favorite piece of artwork for Dad: http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/mv8830/Primarch_Sanguinius_Victorious_zpsacdeysld.jpg Same, I just don't like his face. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4214283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 GW artists have such a mental block with Blood Angel faces, it's weird. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4214311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 It really does look like half his face has been stretched in that picture. But other than that, its one of my favorite pieces of Primarch art! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4214335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 im torn on how I want Sanguinius to look like. half of me whats to see something beautiful, angelic. a simple pose that attempts to downplay just how amazing he is. the other half wants to see an Angel battered, covered in the blood of his enemies, standing before the smoking Eternity Gate defiant. I want a Sanguinius that heralds the death of traitors. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4214462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goosey_j Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I'd like to see him descending like a vengeful comet, spear outstretched towards his foe. I had a lovely chat with Simon Egan at Warhammer World when it reopened. We spoke about a lot of the Primarch models, and I was really impressed at what a fantastic job he'd done with most of them. He mentioned to me that he'd absolutely love to do Sanguinius, as he had a sculpting background in wings - something about doing lots of birds before his Warhammer days. I said something along the lines of "that models going to have to be magnificent", to which he replied with a smile on his face "it will be". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4214495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 And off-topic. This thread is to discuss Sangunius and his attribute/rules as we hop FW will give him. Not discuss which Primarch mauls whom the best. This thread is about where will Sang rank among the primarchs...so the fluff concerning primarch fights is very relevant as it informs the rules. I think Sanguinius should be on par with Horus. Angron on the tabletop seems to be a bit ... underpowered? Full-blown Chaos Horus should have a different set of rules to put him in the same league as the Emperor. I think this art captures Sang well... http://orig10.deviantart.net/f07e/f/2015/108/3/0/sanguinius_by_d1sarmon1a-d8q0hkv.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4214598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin the wraithlord Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Sang has "gifts" that let him see the future meaning he should defiantly have precognition of some sort, he should be 550 points atleast and (as stated in fluff) the most powerful primarch topping even Horus(until he gets chaos rules) he should have a bond with his legion something like if he falls they all take some kind of test like crumble but with angry red space marines, FMC please, thanks WINGS WINGS WINGS Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 There's no way he should cost more than Horus, or be more powerful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 He would be Horus-level. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 GW artists have such a mental block with Blood Angel faces, it's weird. Some, but they have some good ones too. 3rd edition codex cover (the sergeant), corbulo isn't bad, either. And a second edition Sanguinius picture. But I think the best Sanguinius face/head is actually the Fear to Tread cover when he's fighting Kabanda. It looks divine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 haven't read the whole thread yet but: imo, Sanguinius should be equal to pre-Chaos Horus, if not better - after all, he had wings and was a psyker ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus1138 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I think people are getting a little carried away with him. I'd suggest an average stat-line with an increased WS and I, very much like Fulgrim. He's not a duelist like Fulgrim or (presumably) The Khan, but something enhancing his Fear rule (less than Curze of course) to represent leaving enemies in awe would be nice. His leadership abilities should be akin to Lorgar, rules that represent inspiring those around him. He should definitely have some flying options. As far as seeing the future, I'd stay away from any short-term powers like Precognition: his dreams of the future never seemed to work on that time scale. I'd rather see him doing things like messing with reserves, infiltrators and the like via visions of the future. He's a seer, not a Jedi. Wargear should be average Primarch quality, very shiny with a sword or spear. A shield would be really cool but I don't think he'll get one. Okay, I said no messing with army composition but he should definitely make Sanguinary Guard easier to take. Other than that, I think I covered the bases. I'd aim for a 470ish price tag. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I think people are getting a little carried away with him. I'd suggest an average stat-line with an increased WS and I, very much like Fulgrim. He's not a duelist like Fulgrim or (presumably) The Khan, but something enhancing his Fear rule (less than Curze of course) to represent leaving enemies in awe would be nice. His leadership abilities should be akin to Lorgar, rules that represent inspiring those around him. He should definitely have some flying options. As far as seeing the future, I'd stay away from any short-term powers like Precognition: his dreams of the future never seemed to work on that time scale. I'd rather see him doing things like messing with reserves, infiltrators and the like via visions of the future. He's a seer, not a Jedi. Wargear should be average Primarch quality, very shiny with a sword or spear. A shield would be really cool but I don't think he'll get one. Okay, I said no messing with army composition but he should definitely make Sanguinary Guard easier to take. Other than that, I think I covered the bases. I'd aim for a 470ish price tag. 470 for that? No way lol. If he's approaching 500 points then he definitely needs to be close to the power level of Horus (who is 500 points) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I still stand by the idea he'll be the loyalist equivalent to Horus pre-chaos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I still stand by the idea he'll be the loyalist equivalent to Horus pre-chaos. Agreed, that or slightly below him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I still stand by the idea he'll be the loyalist equivalent to Horus pre-chaos. Agreed, that or slightly below him. He seriously has to be, right? I mean, Perturabo runs 490 with Forgebreaker... For anyone arguing against Sanguinius being near Horus, would you also argue for Perturabo being near Horus? Yeah? No, I didn't think so. Sanguinius, 495-500. /thread edit: to be less inflammatory, I don't think Perturabo should cost less either. I just feel like it'd be crazy if both Perturabo and Horus cost more than every loyalist Primarch even before we see Daemon Prince Primarchs, and if any loyalist deserves to be in the 490-500 range it's Sanguinius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I still stand by the idea he'll be the loyalist equivalent to Horus pre-chaos. Agreed, that or slightly below him. He seriously has to be, right? I mean, Perturabo runs 490 with Forgebreaker... For anyone arguing against Sanguinius being near Horus, would you also argue for Perturabo being near Horus? Yeah? No, I didn't think so. Sanguinius, 495-500. /thread edit: to be less inflammatory, I don't think Perturabo should cost less either. I just feel like it'd be crazy if both Perturabo and Horus cost more than every loyalist Primarch even before we see Daemon Prince Primarchs, and if any loyalist deserves to be in the 490-500 range it's Sanguinius. While this will be rough on my list-building, I whole-heatedly agree lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Nobody is getting carried away with Sang . . . Sang is the closest thing the loyalists have to "first among equals" primarch a la Horus. There's nothing wrong with him being the equal of pre-Chaos Horus. He is obviously weaker than Chaos Horus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Not to open a can of worms here but I'm re-reading False Gods and on his deathbed Horus states that he was chosen as warmaster because he was the right balance and was what the crusade needed, not because he was superior. His extra time with the Emperor gave him a stronger feel for what the crusade was, essentially. This is the same time he says Sanguinius should have been Warmaster. It probably doesn't change my opinion, Sanguinius is still top 5, just interesting. He could be better than Horus, and with that passage in mind, so could Russ, the Khan, The Lion or Magnus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 No one is saying Sanguinius is definitively superior to Horus You could apply the same logic to Horus...he was chosen as Warmaster...why does that mean Horus is awesome in close combat? It really shouldn't The "best and the brightest" could simply mean the most exemplary record/best leadership ability/most charismatic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 No one is saying Sanguinius is definitively superior to Horus You could apply the same logic to Horus...he was chosen as Warmaster...why does that mean Horus is awesome in close combat? It really shouldn't The "best and the brightest" could simply mean the most exemplary record/best leadership ability/most charismatic This is actually something that always bothered me. In all the reading I've done. Horus never stood out as some combat machine like Angron or Fulgrim. And then it dawned on me....Horus' claw is what makes him so strong in CC. Give Horus a claw without the crippling ws and s damage he does and he instantly becomes more even with the others. Even with a slightly higher strength attribute. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Horus is definitely a strong fighter, but no - he was never described as the greatest. He was always more of a negotiator/political/social genius. I still think that Guilliman and the Lion should be ranked highly because both received formal training in all forms of combat and warfare during their upbringing, more so than the other Primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315515-where-will-sanguinius-rank-among-the-primarchs/page/6/#findComment-4215816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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