Black Cohort Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 With the Battle of Calth game box coming out in a couple weeks I am going to be starting a Post-Isstvan Salamanders army. Initially at least it will be a Pride of the Legion force. I am thinking of getting a sternguard box to give a bit more of an artificer look to some of the models and show that there is a lot of non-standard armour used as the Salamanders are trying to get back in the fight with whatever they have available. But a lot of the chest pieces have Aquilas on them and I want to make sure that I am not using the Aquila before it came into use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 As early as Istvaan III, marines were carving the Aquila into their armor and defacing their legion symbol as a way of showing loyalty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4213594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Carnelian Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I think that as soon as the Heresy breaks out, if you're a loyalist, you start putting Aquila symbols on your armor. I know I have a few on my assembled Blood Angels. For Pre-Heresy/Great Crusade, obviously limit it to the Emperor's Children. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4213596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Some marines would have worn it before the heresy. It was only the Paletine Aquila, the Emperors personal symbol, that was limited to the Emperors Children. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4213604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Yeah, if you look at the Ultramarines, and in particular the Invectarus Suzerains, they're practically covered in Eagles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4213636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 The Emperors Children were the only guys to wear the Palatine Aquila as a Legion - other Legions had a few spread throughout their ranks but not on every single marine. Look at Garro with his eagle cuirass as a good example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4213667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Centurion Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Most loyalists began to use them early on, and the only traitors that had the Aquila were the Emperor's Children. My Blood Angels will probably have some Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4213776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rage of Khorne Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 After reading Vengeful Spirit it sounds like the cheap standardised Aquila was used on allot of things and on marines army as a standardised symbol of Imperial Superiority. It says everything from Ammo crates to weapons had the symbol stamped out in their thousands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4213939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Yeah, if you look at the Ultramarines, and in particular the Invectarus Suzerains, they're practically covered in Eagles.is that the Aquila tho? Is the imperial raptor the same thing? Also arnt some of those symbols from the high lords of macragge? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4214002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong but... isn't the Black Shield in Conquest the first evidence (chronologically in the HH FW series) of loyalists wearing an Aquila to denote loyalty to the throne? Albeit that the symbol is modified with lightning sigils but it's clearly the traditional aquila that we're all familiar with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4214010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Yeah, if you look at the Ultramarines, and in particular the Invectarus Suzerains, they're practically covered in Eagles.is that the Aquila tho? Is the imperial raptor the same thing? Also arnt some of those symbols from the high lords of macragge? The ones across their faces are definitely Aquilas, they have two heads. The imperial raptor is the raptor head in profile that you see sometimes, like here: http://i.imgur.com/9QU2VMg.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4214040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol_Invictus Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong but... isn't the Black Shield in Conquest the first evidence (chronologically in the HH FW series) of loyalists wearing an Aquila to denote loyalty to the throne? Albeit that the symbol is modified with lightning sigils but it's clearly the traditional aquila that we're all familiar with. Anybody know if the Aquila with the lightning bolts has a name? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4214196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 We Dark Angels have our big Roman numeral 1 on our armor plates. :devil: #loyal4ever #TheEmpsisourdrinkingbuddy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4214225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Void Knight Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong but... isn't the Black Shield in Conquest the first evidence (chronologically in the HH FW series) of loyalists wearing an Aquila to denote loyalty to the throne? Albeit that the symbol is modified with lightning sigils but it's clearly the traditional aquila that we're all familiar with. Anybody know if the Aquila with the lightning bolts has a name? Probably it's a combination between veterans of Unification/early Great Crusade and the Emperor's Children. Remember, Black Shields have a shameful past and want to hid it. This possible Emperor's Children loyalist hid his former colors, but kept the aquila with the lightning bolts to mark him as a veteran space marine that is loyal to the Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4214429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong but... isn't the Black Shield in Conquest the first evidence (chronologically in the HH FW series) of loyalists wearing an Aquila to denote loyalty to the throne? Albeit that the symbol is modified with lightning sigils but it's clearly the traditional aquila that we're all familiar with. Anybody know if the Aquila with the lightning bolts has a name? The Palatine Aquila. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4214500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol_Invictus Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong but... isn't the Black Shield in Conquest the first evidence (chronologically in the HH FW series) of loyalists wearing an Aquila to denote loyalty to the throne? Albeit that the symbol is modified with lightning sigils but it's clearly the traditional aquila that we're all familiar with. Anybody know if the Aquila with the lightning bolts has a name? Probably it's a combination between veterans of Unification/early Great Crusade and the Emperor's Children. Remember, Black Shields have a shameful past and want to hid it. This possible Emperor's Children loyalist hid his former colors, but kept the aquila with the lightning bolts to mark him as a veteran space marine that is loyal to the Imperium. Hmm... I suppose that could make sense, but I think I've seen it else where in the HH books. Correct me if I'm wrong but... isn't the Black Shield in Conquest the first evidence (chronologically in the HH FW series) of loyalists wearing an Aquila to denote loyalty to the throne? Albeit that the symbol is modified with lightning sigils but it's clearly the traditional aquila that we're all familiar with. Anybody know if the Aquila with the lightning bolts has a name? The Palatine Aquila. So yes, it is, but it also has the thunder bolts which would seem to make it more than just the Palatine Aquila? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4214548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 So yes, it is, but it also has the thunder bolts which would seem to make it more than just the Palatine Aquila? The lightning bolts are the defining feature of the Palatine Aquila. That's what makes it the Palatine Aquila. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4214559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 The normal aquila that's adopted by the Imperials as a sign of loyalty to the Emperor is sometimes called the 'Imperialis', imagine that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4214564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 The Aquila Imperialis, I believe, yes. I think the Imperialis, on its own, is the winged skull. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4214566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol_Invictus Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 So yes, it is, but it also has the thunder bolts which would seem to make it more than just the Palatine Aquila? The lightning bolts are the defining feature of the Palatine Aquila. That's what makes it the Palatine Aquila.So I'd agree with you except that I don't see lightning bolts on the Palatine Aquila that the EC wear.http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor's_Children#/image/File:III_Legion_Pad.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4214568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 The Aquila Imperialis, I believe, yes. I think the Imperialis, on its own, is the winged skull. That's probably true. I pulled my reference straight from Conquest, in the profile detailing the Sons of Horus Terminator and his Warmaster-affiliated markings. EDIT: ^ Conn is right that lightning bolts are used in some variation on the Palatine Aquila, but really it just comes down to shape. It's simply different than the Imperialis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4214572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 So yes, it is, but it also has the thunder bolts which would seem to make it more than just the Palatine Aquila? The lightning bolts are the defining feature of the Palatine Aquila. That's what makes it the Palatine Aquila.So I'd agree with you except that I don't see lightning bolts on the Palatine Aquila that the EC wear.http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor's_Children#/image/File:III_Legion_Pad.jpg Ah! Heh, I just looked up the reference I was thinking of (page 103 of Betrayal), to better remind myself. The image on that page is the one you just linked. Looks like I was adding the thunderbolts in my head. Understandable, it's the exact same Aquila design, with or without the bolts, but either way, whoops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315562-when-did-the-aquila-start-being-used-by-loyalists/#findComment-4214581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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