AesricNightprowl Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 So I know in the fluff its very much that Chogorian White Scars don't hold with Dreadnoughts. However as I'm getting two BaC boxes I want to use the Contemptors, would it be justifiable do we think to have them as pre-Jaghatai dreadnoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Terran White Scars would probably not have this Inhibition. So while they would be rare, especially post Jaghatai, there would still be a few around. However, I dont think anyone would be interred if they had the Choice once the Khagan was Found and in charge of the legion, especially as time went on and Terran Culture was subsumed by Chogorian. Still, theres nothing actually explicitly stated about the Scars not having Dreads just that they find it abhorrent to trap the Warriors Spirit so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4213666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 These are the Legions, the time before they became tropes. There were Imperial Fists Speeders, White Scars artillery companies and so forth. Every Legion was capable of anything. WS may not really like Dreads, but they still had them. Maybe less than others, but they were there. Maybe those Scars voluteered to be interred, to fight on, who knows. Maybe it was a necessity. Legions did what they had to to get the job done, regardless of how they felt about it. That was the entire point of them. This is my view anyway. I admit knowing rather little about Scars during the HH era. So maybe someone can correct me on that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4213668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 These are the Legions, the time before they became tropes. There were Imperial Fists Speeders, White Scars artillery companies and so forth. Every Legion was capable of anything. WS may not really like Dreads, but they still had them. Maybe less than others, but they were there. Maybe those Scars voluteered to be interred, to fight on, who knows. Maybe it was a necessity. Legions did what they had to to get the job done, regardless of how they felt about it. That was the entire point of them. This is my view anyway. I admit knowing rather little about Scars during the HH era. So maybe someone can correct me on that. One could always utilise them as a punishment option? Maybe the Techmarines of the Legion have no qualms and you could paint up red Dreadnoughts to be all Mechanicum-y? Lots of potential options I guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4213673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Pre-primarch works but we know the WS operated in lots of different deployments, some of which had minimal contact with the rest of the legion. Torghun Khan's brotherhood in Brotherhood of the Storm had served apart from their brethern for so long that they had reverted to referring to themselves as a company, led by a captain. Having dreads might raise a few eyebrows among the Chogorian noyan-khans but the primarch is very clear about giving his forces a lot of leeway in how they comport themselves and wage war, much more so than any other primarch we've seen depicted. Alternatively the punishment idea is a good one. Destroyers seem to fit with the Scars' razing and sacking ways, so perhaps they would not be seen as quite such a worthwhile punishment as in other legions? Interrment in a dreadnought could do the job for the worst malcontents, with elements of the chassis painted black. Also alternatively, can't recall where I saw it on these boards, but someone proposed the wonderful idea of a mortally wounded Vth legion warrior swearing a death-oath of revenge on a particular nemesis, to harry and destroy them beyond the grave. So his Chogorian brothers mournfully inter him in an walking tomb, knowing that he sacrifices the chance of his spirit roaming freely for a moment of bloody vengeance and an eternity of bitterness. It is a reason to grieve his passing and the chassis is hung with icons of death and oath papers to act as a warning to the rest of the legion. Definitely more appropriate for the heresy than the great crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4213694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Maybe after the dreadnought marine obtains his revenge, he is granted death? Of course, the chassis wouldn't be destroyed. It would be available to the next guy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4213714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Gorgon Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I always thought the idea of a bjorn style dread would suit the white scars like a lore keeper or one who records those that need to be head hunted etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4213725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I absolutely loathe the punishment idea. It's horribly out of character for White Scars to condemn a brother to what is in effect an elaborate and expensive eternal torment, whatever he did. Even in Scars, feeling personally betrayed beyond reason, the Khan is choosing between execution and sending them on a suicide mission, not inflicting a living nightmare on them. The selfless act of a brother carrying an oath beyond death seems much more fitting to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4213731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Maybe after the dreadnought marine obtains his revenge, he is granted death? Of course, the chassis wouldn't be destroyed. It would be available to the next guy Yeah, it is just a mean to prolong his life, to steal time from the underworld's tally, so that he may die in peace, knowing that justice was served and he had his revenge. Now he may roam free. The sarcophagus will be removed from the chassis and the Warrior speaks his last words before his spirit joins his brothers. That would be an amazing storyline. Someone should write a book about that. ADB, I am looking at you. I hope you are listening :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4213735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 ADB has mentioned he has absolutely no interest in writing about one legion...let's hope it's not the Scars, hehe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4213737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grand_master85 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 b1soul - If I remember correctly, it might have been on his blog or somewhere, he actually said the legion he wouldn't write about, and it's the Alpha Legion. I'm with Lucien on this, I wouldn't think that would be something The Great Khan would do. Personally, I'm a bit loathe to use them in my WS force. You could probably say they are pre-Jaghatai dreads, for sure. Either way, I'm sure we will find out come February. Perhaps a Rite of War to follow the Chogoris way of life; Jetbikes as non-compulsory troops, but no Dreads? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4213814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Also alternatively, can't recall where I saw it on these boards, but someone proposed the wonderful idea of a mortally wounded Vth legion warrior swearing a death-oath of revenge on a particular nemesis, to harry and destroy them beyond the grave. So his Chogorian brothers mournfully inter him in an walking tomb, knowing that he sacrifices the chance of his spirit roaming freely for a moment of bloody vengeance and an eternity of bitterness. It is a reason to grieve his passing and the chassis is hung with icons of death and oath papers to act as a warning to the rest of the legion. Definitely more appropriate for the heresy than the great crusade. My god this is the coolest idea ever Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4213823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus.calvariam Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 If the White Scars actually had a special unit Dreadnought like that, that'd be awesome, some sort of death seeker machine like a 40k Lone Wolf. People might balk at the idea of the White Scars getting special dreads though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4214099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 If the White Scars actually had a special unit Dreadnought like that, that'd be awesome, some sort of death seeker machine like a 40k Lone Wolf. People might balk at the idea of the White Scars getting special dreads though. Hm, Dreadnoughts... riding on bikes! Oh yeah! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4214191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 If the White Scars actually had a special unit Dreadnought like that, that'd be awesome, some sort of death seeker machine like a 40k Lone Wolf. People might balk at the idea of the White Scars getting special dreads though. Hm, Dreadnoughts... riding on bikes! Oh yeah! I was thinking motorcycle rollerskates myself Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4214200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 If the White Scars actually had a special unit Dreadnought like that, that'd be awesome, some sort of death seeker machine like a 40k Lone Wolf. People might balk at the idea of the White Scars getting special dreads though. Hm, Dreadnoughts... riding on bikes! Oh yeah! DREADBIKE HOOOOOOOOO!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4214218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2055/b81fc10b786c4ed6378caaa41759a07d.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4214231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 First thing I imagined was a White Scar contemptor scooting around like a Scopedog http://www.anime-zone.ru/inc/goods_wallpapers/armored_trooper_votoms_tv/armored_trooper_votoms_tv.jpg Love the idea though of vengeance beyond the grave. Seems totally fitting and hardcore given the abhorrence of dreadnoughts for the White Scars. Plus you can picture an almost ritual suicide after achieving his vengeance, by unplugging him from the life support and MIU link surrounded by veteran brothers and officers as witness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4214246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Hm, looks more like a Raven Guard to be fair. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4214270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Just recalled, JackDaw's incredible log of the Iron Talons has an amazing backstory for his contemptor dreadnought, which contains the chapter's founder, a White Scar veteran. His homebrew fluff touches on some of the exact things we've mentioned here, up to and including the feelings of someone interred against their will (though not as punishment) and the feelings of those who interred him. Also it's just generally badass. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4214318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Hm, looks more like a Raven Guard to be fair. Did you get my reference to Scopedogs from Armored Trooper Votoms or are you going off the picture I posted? Edit: Maybe this will make the point better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4214469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Fools are lucky Contemptors don't move like Scopedogs lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315565-white-scars-and-dreadnoughts/#findComment-4214470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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