Deekthegreat Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Im having a discussion with a friend and weve reached an impass on if you can run a 30k army as primary and then use a detachment from 40k as a separate detachment while playing 40k. As i understand it you follow the age of darkness foc if you play those armies right not mixing the rules from both Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 30k and 40k have two separate allies charts - mixing and matching would purely be an informal exercise, I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Yup, you must use the 30k allied chart if you run 30k in 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongGone Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I believe that's called having your cake and eating the other guy's too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deekthegreat Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 Yea i tried to explain that you have to use 30k everything if youre playing 30k armies wkth 40k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Why would you cheapen a 30K army by adding a 40K army to it? That's like buying an Audi, then asking to have the leather ripped out for vinyl. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I would personally just have everyone use the age of darkness rules, be it xenos or imperium. Evens the playing field a bit, making a fair game for both sides. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I would personally just have everyone use the age of darkness rules, be it xenos or imperium. Evens the playing field a bit, making a fair game for both sides. That's what we do. When any of our guys with xenos armies play our 30k armies they use the AoD force org chart. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Why would you cheapen a 30K army by adding a 40K army to it? That's like buying an Audi, then asking to have the leather ripped out for vinyl. Codex Imperial Guard, Storm Troopers, Inquisition, and both Mechanicum Codexes provide very cool alternative lists. For instance there is no way to take Skitarii presently, so I'd have no problem with my opponent using them. For myself, I am building a Militia list that can also be run as a DK Siege Army or Assault Brigade, an Autokratorii force using the combined Taghmata and Mechanicus Lists. It requires some self discipline and house ruling, to confirm to the technology and Fluff of the time period but it can be done. What's even more fun is house ruling Xenos Codexes for Great Crusade Era games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Yeah like the Tyranids being the megarachinds from Horus Rising. Necrons were starting to wake up in very isolated incidences, Eldar of both kind were there though game balance wise it kinda hard to balance them, Tau could be some random obscure race that the marines made extinct etc. As a Guard player I can fully say that the milita and SA armies have waaaaaaaay more interesting mechanics than our pile of hot garbage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I think the OP was referring to taking combined lists of 30K and 40K together, not having 30K vs 40K games..... That said, normally I'd agree with the "big fat no raw" due to the different ally charts, but then there's that "new thing" about detachments and how different armies can be combined together to negate the allies matrix(within certain restrictions) so honestly I'm not too sure that's good enough anymore. In fact, I'd go so far to say that the Loyalists should be considered Forces of the Imperium and Traitors Chaos Space Marines for purposes of the 40K matrix. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I think the OP was referring to taking combined lists of 30K and 40K together, not having 30K vs 40K games..... That said, normally I'd agree with the "big fat no raw" due to the different ally charts, but then there's that "new thing" about detachments and how different armies can be combined together to negate the allies matrix(within certain restrictions) so honestly I'm not too sure that's good enough anymore. In fact, I'd go so far to say that the Loyalists should be considered Forces of the Imperium and Traitors Chaos Space Marines for purposes of the 40K matrix. This makes a lot of sense actually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darog Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Yes, you can Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Yes, you can While it illustrates my point in taking detachments, it actually doesn't answer the question because it doesn't address the differing ally charts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I would personally just have everyone use the age of darkness rules, be it xenos or imperium. Evens the playing field a bit, making a fair game for both sides. That's what we do. When any of our guys with xenos armies play our 30k armies they use the AoD force org chart. Ever seen a DKoK Siege army with an AoD List? Tasty, tasty ordnance. Yes, you can While it illustrates my point in taking detachments, it actually doesn't answer the question because it doesn't address the differing ally charts. Thats highly unusual. It specifically says no more than one detachment IIRC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 If you ran a 30k force with 40k allies I'd say you're simply playing a lesser form of unbound... If not, treat them as desperate allies? I don't want to see Legion armies boosted by the shenanigans of Sevrin Loth or some GK combinations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@verik115 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 And it starts... lol.I have no issues with 30K vs 40K, but I have a huge problem with mixing them together as allies. The reason a lot of us drift towards 30K is to get away from the crazy 40K allies abuse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 You've hit the nail on the head. 30k is a more regimented, controlled game than it's 40k sibling. That's a major source of it's appeal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 If your mixing and matching for power and not flavor, you're doing it wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 And it starts... lol. I have no issues with 30K vs 40K, but I have a huge problem with mixing them together as allies. The reason a lot of us drift towards 30K is to get away from the crazy 40K allies abuse. Don't worry, I'm sure there will be many more ppl wanting to bastardise wonderful 30k rulesets with ridiculous 40k abortions. Simple really. You play 30k with rules and restrictions, or you play 40k with whatever the hell you want it seems. If you play your 30k vs someones 40k, that's your decision. Although it never ends a 'good game' just one side complaining the other is over powered. I propose the motion of all 35k games not being mentioned anymore! There will be plenty to come as people want to sort of play 30k with the box set, but ally in grav centurions and eldar wraithknjghts plopping d templates and 40k grav all over the table. No no no no no!!! Sorry..it's the reason I sold up and escaped 40k in the first place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@verik115 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I'm pretty sure we will see more and more younger player getting into 30K now with the release of the plastic set. I don't want to be one of those 'old gits', but the steeper forgeworld price always kept the riffraff out and catered more to the mature fluff based player. Things are about to change :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 See Im not opposed to Wraithknights in 30K. Or Tau count-as super-advanced civilization with all their stuff. What I'm opposed to is mixing that with the Legiones, Auxilia, and Mechanicum. I wouldn't play a game against a :cuss list from a power gamer, but I absolutely would take the time to hammer out with my opponent points discrepancies and the like if he wanted to play my army with his Tau, even if it means allowing him some extra points or free gear where needed (not like a Riptide, but simple unit upgrades to make the game more nail biting). I'm pretty sure we will see more and more younger player getting into 30K now with the release of the plastic set. I don't want to be one of those 'old gits', but the steeper forgeworld price always kept the riffraff out and catered more to the mature fluff based player. Things are about to change That is not entirely true. The 30K games requires the Calth box, and two separate FW books to play his army. The entry price isn't 150 dollars like some worry. Its still prohibitively expensive enough that you won't see many 30K tournaments popping up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@verik115 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I'm pretty sure we will see more and more younger player getting into 30K now with the release of the plastic set. I don't want to be one of those 'old gits', but the steeper forgeworld price always kept the riffraff out and catered more to the mature fluff based player. Things are about to change That is not entirely true. The 30K games requires the Calth box, and two separate FW books to play his army. The entry price isn't 150 dollars like some worry. Its still prohibitively expensive enough that you won't see many 30K tournaments popping up. If you think kids will be 'buying' the FW books, I have some bad news for you haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I am not sure if M@verik is joking about "riff raff"? I have never been a power gamer in 40K, more of a fluffy gamer. I have struggled to get into 30 and FW in general due to costs. To be called riff raff because I do not have the funds to buy all that FW offers is a bit insulting. I have saved hard and have begun on the road, what I find is the cost means that you have to think harder about what you need vs what you want. I like 30K for the atmosphere and the stroies (fluff) and because it looks to be an enjoyable game. Not because I want to be seen as elitist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I would personally just have everyone use the age of darkness rules, be it xenos or imperium. Evens the playing field a bit, making a fair game for both sides. That's what we do. When any of our guys with xenos armies play our 30k armies they use the AoD force org chart. Ever seen a DKoK Siege army with an AoD List? Tasty, tasty ordnance. Yes, you can While it illustrates my point in taking detachments, it actually doesn't answer the question because it doesn't address the differing ally charts. Thats highly unusual. It specifically says no more than one detachment IIRC I haven't really read the red books, Conquest or Tempest, but IIRC, that was in concern to how certain ROWs prevented Legions from taking other Legion allies within the same detachment. If so, it wouldn't apply since it is within that one detachment. More of a question really since I'm not current with 30K rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315592-age-of-darkness-and-40k/#findComment-4214710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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