Michaelus_Raphael Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Greetings brothers! Obviously most of us have seen the pics and info regarding Betrayal at Calth. Now you could paint them half as smurfs and half as word bearers but why not paint them all in the glorious colours of the IX legion?! In all seriousness, apart from being great new game this new box looks like a fantastic way to introduce a decent amount of Mk IV armour into your 40k BA force. My question is this; from a fluff point of view, which company would be the most logical home for 30 suits of relic Mk IV armour? It'd be reasonable to assume that wearing such a suit would be an honour reserved for the greatest, veteran members of the chapter but my 1st company is already full with Terminators, Sternguard and Vanguard so has there been anything written in the books or other background materials that would point to another home for Mk IV suits? Thanks for your help, For the Angel! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Antodeniel Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Greetings Brother, Well, i would say that it depend from your chapter and your timeline. - Early fondation chapters (Blood Angels, Flesh Tearers, Angels Encarmine, Angels Vermillon, Angels Sanguine) are expected to possess many old armour suits. - Latest fondation chapters are expected to possess few/rare old armour suits. And as exemple for the timeline impact....for exemple with a Second Fondation chapter : 31k = 7/10 (70%) Spaces Marines possess Great Crusade/Pre-Heresy armour suits 32k = 6/10 (60%) 33k = 5/10 (50%) 34k = 4/10 (40%) 35k = 3/10 (30%) From this point, we can say that old armour suits start to become rare and are weared only by Sergeant, Vétérans....etc 36k = 2/10 (20%) 37k = 1/10 (10%) 38k = 1/25 (4%) From this point, old armour suits are relics in their own right, and treated like relic. preciously. Given only to vétérans or heroes of the chapter. 39k = 1/50 (2%) 40k = 1/100 (1%) Also, many chapters can retain rare exemples of Pre-Heresy Articifer Power Armour, that can be found on Characters such as Captain/Chaplain/Sanguinary Priest/Chapter Masters, for exemple. In addition of the Old but Normal Pre-Heresy/Heresy Power Armour suits. (40k follow the timeline between 32k and 41k). =) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStabby Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I think the further you go towards "modern" times the more you see kitbashed suits with bitz from MK4+ because it's at that point the suits are built to have interchangeable parts. I would wager that MK7 you would see the most "whole" suits of but anything else could have parts from any of the marks I mentioned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 If the red scorpions have leagues of mk4 there's no reason we don't. Go nuts. First company makes the most sense tho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jønke Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Within the last hour bols have postet a screenshot of the new white dwarf. They mention that all units from the HH set can be used in 40k. Wonder if they make rules for the old armour type and cataphratii terminators? http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/11/heresy-only-minis-coming-to-the-grimdark.html I will probably just mix them in with my regular troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Yeah I plan to mix them up unless I use the box as an excuse to start a Heresy-era force. Even then I'd proxy them as 40k marines and ally them to my BA... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildrcheese Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I plan on using them for a HH era BA army, great timing as we're getting legion rules in book 6, due Spring 2016 EDC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I plan on using them for a HH era BA army, great timing as we're getting legion rules in book 6, due Spring 2016 EDC Better timing if they'd stuck to what they said and it was before Christmas :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrahawk Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 As the Blood Angels are a First Founding Chapter, I don't think a good amount of Mark IV would look out of place in any company. Especially when you consider the artificer skill of the Chapter's warriors and Techmarines, if any could preserve them in fighting conditition it's the Blood Angels. Also, I have always considered Mark IV very iconic for the Blood Angels. Something about it just clicks with the Chapter. So go nuts! (not too much though, or you'll be wearing black armour in no time) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Some of those MKIV will be seen in my Angels Sanguine and Blood Drinkers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildrcheese Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I plan on using them for a HH era BA army, great timing as we're getting legion rules in book 6, due Spring 2016 EDC Better timing if they'd stuck to what they said and it was before Christmas :( Look at it this way; it gives you time to get it all painted up ;) EDC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I plan on using them for a HH era BA army, great timing as we're getting legion rules in book 6, due Spring 2016 EDC Better timing if they'd stuck to what they said and it was before Christmas Look at it this way; it gives you time to get it all painted up EDC Yep, into Death Guard colours. ....Oh god - who opened that door...? Is... Is that an infernus pistol? No... I'll be good I swear! I'll keep painting red! I Promise! No Jolemai, Noooooooooo! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Within the last hour bols have postet a screenshot of the new white dwarf. They mention that all units from the HH set can be used in 40k. Wonder if they make rules for the old armour type and cataphratii terminators? http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/11/heresy-only-minis-coming-to-the-grimdark.html I will probably just mix them in with my regular troops. Cataphrapt terminator rules afor 40k are found in the Badab war books :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I do plan on getting this set. I think id like to be able to play the new game as well as use the models to start a heresy era ba army. I think it would be a great way to get light weights interested in the hobby without overwelming them with 40k/30k. So I think ill paint half my dudes as Blood angels and the other half as iron warriors (super quick easy to do paint scheme) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Within the last hour bols have postet a screenshot of the new white dwarf. They mention that all units from the HH set can be used in 40k. Wonder if they make rules for the old armour type and cataphratii terminators? http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/11/heresy-only-minis-coming-to-the-grimdark.html I will probably just mix them in with my regular troops. Cataphrapt terminator rules afor 40k are found in the Badab war books @Xenith - Whereabouts? I've got IA 9 an 10 and didn't notice them mentioned. Edit: Spelling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I do plan on getting this set. I think id like to be able to play the new game as well as use the models to start a heresy era ba army. I think it would be a great way to get light weights interested in the hobby without overwelming them with 40k/30k. So I think ill paint half my dudes as Blood angels and the other half as iron warriors (super quick easy to do paint scheme) Very similar to my interests... Although as easy as it is, IW shouldn't be in mk4 :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Charlo, you're dead to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Charlo, you're dead to me. I'm going to paint at least one full red to see if I like it! I'll hold off on anything committal until I see book 6! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Commander Scrymgeour Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I'm so excited. This heresy box plus a blood angels tactical box for gravy will mean I will have a complete 1st company...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Gotta say I am digging the old-school missile launchers. :D RTB01 Rocks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Antodeniel Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Blood Angels vs Night Lord.....Come on Jolemai....we are the 40k version of the Night Lords....We terrorise people...have terrible nightmare....and both of our primarch are dead... (Konrad and Sanguinius really shared a strong trait....they both knew their future, unlike all of their brothers.....) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4215910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Blood Angels vs Night Lord.....Come on Jolemai....we are the 40k version of the Night Lords....We terrorise people...have terrible nightmare....and both of our primarch are dead... (Konrad and Sanguinius really shared a strong trait....they both knew their future, unlike all of their brothers.....) Mmm hmm, I've always thought of Konrad & Sanguinius are mirrors of one another, both had visions of the future but where Sanguinius was an optimist who could prevent the tragedies he foresaw, Curze was a cynical fatalist who resigned himself to suffering. Sanguinius believed whole-heartedly in building a bright future for Humanity, Curze believed in nothing but the wickedness of man and the futility of his efforts. Curze made himself a symbol of terror to instill obedience, Sanguinius was a symbol of hope to inspire alliegence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4216057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Blood Angels vs Night Lord.....Come on Jolemai....we are the 40k version of the Night Lords....We terrorise people...have terrible nightmare....and both of our primarch are dead... (Konrad and Sanguinius really shared a strong trait....they both knew their future, unlike all of their brothers.....) Mmm hmm, I've always thought of Konrad & Sanguinius are mirrors of one another, both had visions of the future but where Sanguinius was an optimist who could prevent the tragedies he foresaw, Curze was a cynical fatalist who resigned himself to suffering. Sanguinius believed whole-heartedly in building a bright future for Humanity, Curze believed in nothing but the wickedness of man and the futility of his efforts. Curze made himself a symbol of terror to instill obedience, Sanguinius was a symbol of hope to inspire alliegence. Nicely put, brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4216197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
evildrcheese Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Blood Angels vs Night Lord.....Come on Jolemai....we are the 40k version of the Night Lords....We terrorise people...have terrible nightmare....and both of our primarch are dead... (Konrad and Sanguinius really shared a strong trait....they both knew their future, unlike all of their brothers.....) Mmm hmm, I've always thought of Konrad & Sanguinius are mirrors of one another, both had visions of the future but where Sanguinius was an optimist who could prevent the tragedies he foresaw, Curze was a cynical fatalist who resigned himself to suffering. Sanguinius believed whole-heartedly in building a bright future for Humanity, Curze believed in nothing but the wickedness of man and the futility of his efforts. Curze made himself a symbol of terror to instill obedience, Sanguinius was a symbol of hope to inspire alliegence. Absolutely with you guys here, Sanguinius and Curze certainly have that other side of the coin, polarised reflection thing going on. Which is mostly what turns me off Night Lords for when it cones to doing a traitor legion, I want something different. EDC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4216287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I do plan on getting this set. I think id like to be able to play the new game as well as use the models to start a heresy era ba army. I think it would be a great way to get light weights interested in the hobby without overwelming them with 40k/30k. So I think ill paint half my dudes as Blood angels and the other half as iron warriors (super quick easy to do paint scheme) Very similar to my interests... Although as easy as it is, IW shouldn't be in mk4 Apart from Warsmith Toramino and the Storr Bezakh who were all MK4, if I remember correctly... Within the last hour bols have postet a screenshot of the new white dwarf. They mention that all units from the HH set can be used in 40k. Wonder if they make rules for the old armour type and cataphratii terminators? http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/11/heresy-only-minis-coming-to-the-grimdark.html I will probably just mix them in with my regular troops. Cataphrapt terminator rules afor 40k are found in the Badab war books @Xenith - Whereabouts? I've got IA 9 an 10 and didn't notice them mentioned. Edit: Spelling. Mybe I'm mistaken then, it it just Tartaros in there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315618-mark-iv-and-all-things-hh/#findComment-4216302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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