Hesh Kadesh Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 The Hesh Kadesh rite of War: "If you have two drop podded dreadnoughts and 3 grav rapiers, gain +6 to the vehicle damage chart." Any Graviton Pulse weapons resolve casualties as if the weapon has the Barrage special rule, and any rolls on the Haywire table, any roll of 4+ counts as Penetrating. Any model under the central hole of the template considers their Strength to be 1 and any resultant wound or penetrating hit is AP2. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4217617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 ^^ Lol! What do you think, Hesh? What method of warfare is missing from the current Rites of War? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4217619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Hard to say. The Jump Pack Rite of War is limited to infantry based CC anti-tank, or sharing its AT all to Fast Attack, or is otherwise melta based AT, with no reserve manipulation. Some reserve manipulation and battlefield role modification in here wouldn't go amiss, nor would some affordable flyers. A Prototype Xiphon (Machaira?) with a Laser Destroyer Array, a basic Cyclone Missile Launcher and 2 Tempest Rockets, coming in at 130pts could put out some decent firepower. Giving it the ability to upgrade to Kraken Penetrators would be nice for swapping the Tempest rockets. Alternatively, the ability to assault from Deep Strike would actually make this pretty incredible. Giving Flyers some form of Drop Pod assault type rule would be useful here and replace the need for other reserve manipulation. Armoured Spearhead, the less said about this the better. The odd tank shock bonus isn't bad, but Land Raiders suck. I've never found anyone bemoaning the lack of Land Raiders when they exist at Heavy Support level in a Squadron of 1-3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4217643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Deep strike from assault would make the Angels wrath/assault marines super viable and fun to play. The poor bastards need a buff or a points drop. I'd like to see a Star Phantoms/Dreadwing RoW for the Dark Angels - which means like they all drop pod in at once and twin link all their weapons for one turn for eviscerating close range firepower Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4217818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Deep strike from assault would make the Angels wrath/assault marines super viable and fun to play. The poor bastards need a buff or a points drop. I'd like to see a Star Phantoms/Dreadwing RoW for the Dark Angels - which means like they all drop pod in at once and twin link all their weapons for one turn for eviscerating close range firepower Can Night Lords assault from deepstrike too Puh-leeaaaassssseeeeee! I will slap Sevatar in a speeder and zip him around the table dropping lightning claw termies on everything not in a transport, promise! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4217824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Drop Pods in 30K are already better because you can camp in them the turn you come down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
norngahl Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Would love to see a rite like "special task force" where one chosen unit type that does not have the flyer, tank or vehicle type becomes a troop choice. Downside: the chosen unit takes up a slot of their originary category. So 2 destroyer squads would take up 2 elites and 2 troop choices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Death Guard rite that is flying bombers with phosphex bomb clusters and drop pod marines that ignore the terrain effects of the phosphex, and get a bonus on units that took casualties to the phosphex.. p.s. phosphex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 ...a Row Giving Templar Ap2 Weapons (As much as I can hope I really hope this doesnt happen. They're deadly enough )?...one that liberates the Phalanx Warders from their ZM Uber-Niche? It'll be interesting to see what the RG get. Going to be hard to beat the utter smachdown Decapitation Strike & Maun deliver. Templar Brethren gaining AP2 Swords at the cost of an attack A rite a war that is all about forcing challenges Just a really Violent Choppy Close Combat Rite of war for Imperial Fists Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Death Guard rite that is flying bombers with phosphex bomb clusters and drop pod marines that ignore the terrain effects of the phosphex, and get a bonus on units that took casualties to the phosphex.. p.s. phosphex I'd like to see the difficult and dangerous terrain effects more damaging from weaponised versions. Phosphex should get soulfire, and dangerous terrain from Graviton could force two tests and roll the lowest, or perhaps be AP2 if it's under the central hole. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Oh man guys, atrementar models coming out when I have 20 Cataphracti already :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Oh man guys, atrementar models coming out when I have 20 Cataphracti already :/ I feel ya. I've already got 40 Imperial Fists Terminators and if they ever get a Terminator Unit in the future... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Oh man guys, atrementar models coming out when I have 20 Cataphracti already :/ Hopefully these will have Chainglaive access from the off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegriss Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 templar right of war that allows for relic blades as an upgrade ap2 great swords ... oh man my paints just got tight Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Personally I find it hard to beat power fists for only 5 points more; threaten almost every non primarch character, vehicle and infantry unit in the game Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 @ Slipstreams & SkimaskMohawk... You can never have too many terminators :) New Rites of War will be intriguing for sure. WOnder what will mesh best with my Wolves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I'm honestly stuck as to what you do for a new DG rite of War. Reaping already covers the rad warfare with the nades, MTC etc but imposes some big restrictions. Unless you go further down that route with destroyer heavy builds, or maybe just rad missiles on other units, Phosphex Medusa without a siege breaker etc there isn't much left there. Without being too ironhandsy, maybe some increases to toughness or such, or perhaps a terminator heavy build focusing on Grave Wardens in the troop slot to represent Typhons company... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Perhaps one which actually benefits Death Guard styles of play rather than giving the benefits to units which don't really have a place in a Death Guard army. Why take destroyers when you have Assault Squads or with Power Weapons and Rad Nades? Move through Cover Bikers/Jetbikers? (Nothing against Turbo Boost). Scoring Heavy Weapon Squads? Give the Rad Nades, and Shred Heavy Flamers. Same for Veterans. Scout them with a Vigilator or Telekinesis Levitate Librarian. Best way to play death guard is not to play death guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Meh - I'm Gunna play heresy to be fluffy and fun, so I'm not up for power gaming thier RoW. I'm just hoping the next one we get isn't all uber Chaotic and starting to get anything Nurgle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
v6v77 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 New Alpha legion rite of war: The many headed hydra Benefits Know thy enemy: Any unit with legiones astartes Alpha legion may make a leadership test at the start of the game turn. If successful they gain one of the following special rules for that game turn. Move through cover Adamantium will Counter attack Tank hunters Monster hunter Cut off one head: When a character or independant character are removed from play by any means roll a d6. On a 3+ a model from the nearest unit may be replaced with the character or independant character, having the same wargear. (This does not bypass slay the warlord Restrictions All units must infiltrate Any Alpha legion characters killed and not replaced by cut off one head grant 1 VP, any independant character 2 VP. Must take an additional compulsory troop choice No Allied space marine legions allowed. May not take Alpharius Thoughts? I hope something like the first point is in the new book but the whole thing looks very AL to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
norngahl Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Yeah. Just add all bolters have strength D and that would be fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 It is a little OTT. You've essentially taken the best of Coils and made it better with less restriction. I'd go for something Totally different. The cut off one head is a great rule though! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Can anyone actually say what is bad it? Enemies gain a VP (or 2) every time a character dies on a 5+. Characters in 30k look pretty for a whole 2 turns then they get smooshballed. You have 3 Minimum characters in a legion army. That is 1 or 2 free VP's. Your opponent gets one objective it is curtains. Gaining a second free mutable tactics in exchange for forced infiltrate is about what I'd expect, if not allowing Tac Vets to gain a second rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Man that figures, as soon as I figure out a conversion idea and a terminator-centric list to run with my Night Lords they announce they are making Atramentar. :cussing-A. I just can't keep up with FW. Hell when I started 30k World Eaters 4 years ago I had painted 20 marines and a Contemptor with the old Legion symbol when they suddenly release a new legion symbol and dread. At least you're not in my boat where the LITERAL DAY AFTER I finish Kit bashing my Templar Brethren, they go ahead and release the kit for sale. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e265/Keito_Tenshi/eyetwitch_zps2cd52f58.png But, yeah, about those Rites of War, eh? (DONT JUDGE ME I'M CANADIAN) So, while we can safely assume that each of the 2 new Specific RoWs the Legions will be getting to demonstrate evolving warfare trends/tactics, beyond the previously mentioned Destroyer Cadre RoW, what else would y'all like to see? Artillery Brigade? Recon/Scouting Force? Might of the Legion Armory? Suffer not the xenos, the mutant, the heretic, and the canadian to live! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I am incredibly excited due to the sheer number. They'll open up so many exciting new ways to play. I look forward to hearing about the Salamanders one. The lack of deepstrike was mildly bothersome in the current, plus melta spam isn't my thing. I'd prefer a flamer heavy RoW. Something that really covers the board in templates ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315698-new-rites-of-war/page/3/#findComment-4218634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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