Sororita Katya Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Magnus is by far my favourite Primarch. He attempts to do everything right, his beginning noble, but by jumping ahead without truly knowing the danger, he single handedly collapsed the Imperium and had himself gripped in Tzeentches grasp. I would love to do a pre heresy (very start of the heresy), Magnus army, as he is collecting knowledge from the current imperium, and learns of Horus and the Word Bearers deceit. But by the sounds of it, they're not getting anything... So as I am only just entering the 30k universe, does anyone know any news? If not...I guess I have to work on choosing another legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Inferno (Prospero) is loosely expected next year. For a variety of reasons their release has been heavily delayed, but you can expect the Thousand Sons to (finally) appear in the next 18 months or so hopefully Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Patience - there was word that they'll be releasing upgrade packs as soon as they're done (much like the Dark Angels, Blood Angels and White Scars), and then the rules, background, characters, etc will come in the Prospero book. That will be Book VII at the earliest. Given how everything else has gone, I think you'd much prefer the end result once they work everything out and do the Legion properly, rather then have them rush and get a half-arsed result. The killer I think is the lack of basic upgrade kits so you can get basic squads done in advance, I think they recognise that now hence why we have three Legions with sets without any rules yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Afaik, the Thousand Sons that escaped with Magnus began to mutate sometime after fleeing (hence the Rubric). Whether or not it is definitely the Planet of the Sorcerors, I'm not sure, and just how quickly those mutations occurred, it's not clear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Polo Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Patience - there was word that they'll be releasing upgrade packs as soon as they're done (much like the Dark Angels, Blood Angels and White Scars), and then the rules, background, characters, etc will come in the Prospero book. That will be Book VII at the earliest. Given how everything else has gone, I think you'd much prefer the end result once they work everything out and do the Legion properly, rather then have them rush and get a half-arsed result. The killer I think is the lack of basic upgrade kits so you can get basic squads done in advance, I think they recognise that now hence why we have three Legions with sets without any rules yet. I'm basically hoping that any day now we'll get the TS and SW upgrade kits done. The last we heard - in July I believe - the kits were either done or on the cusp of being done; the TS upgrades being based on Mk4 armor in particular. Would be quite perfect with the Calth box, so fingers crossed that before the end of the year they show up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sororita Katya Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 Afaik, the Thousand Sons that escaped with Magnus began to mutate sometime after fleeing (hence the Rubric). Whether or not it is definitely the Planet of the Sorcerors, I'm not sure, and just how quickly those mutations occurred, it's not clear.That would be after my intended legion timeframe, but to discuss, by the time the terra assault was occurring most had fled into the warp (at least the ones that were on Prospero when himself and Ahriman did the ritual to escape Russ. Once they were in the warp was when they started to mutate further, their abilities gaining momentum and some physical changes occurring, at one point during this Magnus is raised to Daemon Prince status as that is what he is when he attacks Terra (as his body was destroyed by Russ on Prospero). But when he has fully swayed to chaos is not when I care about the legion. I love the desperation and his want to assist his brothers (even once fully fallen into the warp). To be fair it seems petty to me that Magnus would even partake in the siege on terra as vengeance doesn't seem appropriate. Firstly because he can now see down multiple timelines (like farseers), so you would think he would find the information that Russ was misinformed. Secondly you would think that as he is helping his brothers (salamders and White scars) you would think that he wouldn't be fully commited to chaos. The planet of sorcerers then occurs later where he tries to reverse this mutation and ends up killing his legion and turning them into mindless automatons (chaos are dicks) which seals his fate as he fully turns to chaos due to what he has done. For everyone else, thankyou for giving me hope and I shall lurk patiently until the day :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@verik115 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I believe its in the first half of next year. There are still another 6 or so FW Horus Heresy books to go. After which it was hinted that they will move onto the Great Scouring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Well actually, what Olis is talking about happens right after the Razing of Prospero, which takes place two years before the Heresy, around the time Horus was getting stabbed by the anathame on Davin. By the time the Heresy rolls around, the Thousand Sons aren't committed to one side or the other, and those who are not with Magnus are being hunted down by the Death Guard and Space Wolves. Those who are with Magnus on the planet that may be the Planet of Sorcerers are already beginning to mutate and Ahriman is already beginning to collect members for his coven so he can create the Rubric. So at the beginning of the Heresy, the Thousands Sons are an actually blank slate on what to do with them as they have yet to pick one side or the other beyond the individual level. EDIT: Out of curiosity, how familiar are you with the background? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sororita Katya Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 I would say that I am an amateur pro currently. Running my way through thousand sons at the moment and then I shall start the horus heresy novel collection :) Picked up most of my info of the legions from lexicanum and forums Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Okay, no problem. If you ever have questions, feel free to ask. BnC is normally a very friendly and helpful community. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 The Rubric was after the heresy though, wasen't it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 The Rubric was after the heresy though, wasen't it? Yes, Kol was referring to Ahriman's building of a coven that would later enact the Rubric. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Heard from somewhere that the TS upgrade sets may be released late 2015 and the SW in 16.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I tried starting mine lol but I'd advise waiting till next year to see what comes out :D Shameless plug - http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/4CF21576-CBCE-421D-9D6B-BEF675A050CE_zpswzkdtfyr.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sororita Katya Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 I like it, very cool. I kinda understand the split between Ahriman and Magnus. Was it not Magnus attempted to fix the mutations in his legion it worked but at the cost of lightning storms racking the planet, so Ahriman tried and turned all non psykers into mindless husks thus earning the Ire of Magnus who banished him and those who helped him from the Planet of Sorcerers? I'm presuming at one point or another he figures out a way to bring back some of his legion when he attacked Fenris or where they all just the husks being controlled by him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 When the legion teleported away from Prospero, the mutations started to happen at a much faster pace on the planet of sorcerers and Magnus was locked in his tower trying to plan his next move to avoid being made a fool of again. Ahriman gathered some guys to find a way to stop the mutations after being told by magnus not to try. Ahriman and his cabal castthe rubric, which stopped the mutations, but turned every thousand son who did not have great psyker powers into a sealed suit of armour full of dust, while the thousand sons that were more powerful stopped the mutation and increased their power tenfold. when magnus saw the result of the rubric, and that ahriman had disobeyed him, he kicked him and his cabal from the planet of sorcerers. Ahriman spends most of his time now trying to redo the rubric and return his legion to human form by collecting knowledge and secrets from all sources. The attack of fenris was led by magnus and his thousand sons sorcerers and large amounts of cultists and rubric marines(the marines are still just dust, but can be controlled by sorcerers and during battle fight as they used to). So the Thousand Sons are pretty much split into two main forces, those on the planet of sorcerers with magnus, and those led by ahriman. There are smaller warbands here and there working for themselves. p.s. I always thought the rubric happened before the siege of terra ? p.s.s I was also waiting for thousand sons hh army and gave up and put a death guard force together, but I have a feeling the second I see an ahriman model and the legion specific units my willpower will crumble to dust and I will be making a new legion lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I have 10k points of nurgle CSM and daemons, and am slowly collecting Thousand sons for 40k just for fun (even though they suck). I LOVE the blue and gold paint job. I feel like red and gold is used by a lot of Astartes legions/chapters. I HAVE QUESTIONS! 1. What color are their helmet eye lenses. 2. What would you guys say if you saw the Blue and Gold TS in a HH game? I am considering *shrug* time travel. 3. The 40k TS upgrade kits seem kinda legit and you get a aspring sorcerer... I am heavily considering buying 4 of these upgrade kits and putting them on my PLASTIC troops. 4. I have one 9 man unit of chosen from DV painted up TS that I use that I think could maybe be some sort of honor guard/CCS in HH someday? I plan to be almost completely footslogging troops and psykers of course. Opinions and criticisms please! Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 @bozo69pd 1.green 2.i will also be doing 30k sons as blue gold, it just looks awesome. 3.the only issue with the current sons upgrade kit is there are some tzeentch symbols on them which the legion hadn't yet fallen to, and the big hats were mainly worn by the squad leaders and commanders not everyone (so far, but fw might change that and say they all had fancy hats). 4.as long as their are rules for them, and you let you opponents know whats up it should be fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 At the moment, I don't think there is actually a definitive timeline for when the Rubric happened. I think the impression the background gives us is that it was pre-Siege, but I can't think of anything that explicitly says when. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 My thought were that the rubric happened soon after the arrival on the Planet of Sorcerers, there was about 1000 survivors of Prospero and the mutations started happening when they arrived, if they had waited years for the landing on Terra there wouldn't be any left. Maybe that is why Ahriman has never talked about what he did on Terra during the siege, though is would be cool to hear some stories of Ahriman rummaging around Malcadors desk drawers, and maybe even confronting him on the Golden Throne and it was he that destroyed Malcador. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sororita Katya Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 Why were rubric marines present with Magnus? Or where some of them not apart of Ahrimans cabal? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 None of Ahriman's cabal could be rubric marines, in theory - Ahriman had sought the best sorcerers of the Legion for his spell, none of which would be weak enough to be affected by the rubric. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Iskandar Khayon was at Terra commanding a battle company of the Thousand Sons before the Rubric hit, so it must have been post Siege of Terra. "'And what did those thirty-three deaths even matter?’ Telemachon pressed. ‘They’d have fallen to Ahriman’s Curse a handful of years later, anyway.'” -p. 134 The Talon of Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Some sorcerers did not agree with what Ahriman was doing, and felt the rubric was a bad idea, they stayed and followed Magnus. The rubrics are mindless robots when not in combat, so they need to be controlled by a sorcerer, and every sorcerer has a few as bodyguards and such. So the rubrics are kind of spread out among everyone, but most are probably on the Planet of Sorcerers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Thanks for the info guys. So far in my collections of Thousands Sons lore I've read: Horus Heresy books: Thousand Sons Prospero Burns Battle for the Abyss (has Mhotep in it) 40k I've just read the Ahriman Trilogy and the short stories collection, I am listing what further books I should read. I think there is one called Battle of the Fang centered on the Space Wolves being assaulted on Fenris by Magnus and his legion. Any others I am missing? Any good Horus Heresy reads too? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315869-thousand-sonswill-it-happen/#findComment-4221714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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