daveNYC Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I suspect that the thoughts of the surviving 1k Sons towards Magnus are complicated. On the one hand, he screwed them. On the other hand he sacrificed everything to save them. And hanging over all of that are all the machinations that took place by all the players (Russ, Valdor, Horus, Tzeentch) that led to Prospero happening. Plus side is that the Thousand Sons are one of the few traitor legions that haven't been turned into either frothing at the mouth nutters or cartoonishly stupid-evil bad guys, so there's the potential for stories that dig in on that subject. It doesn't hurt that Magnus himself seems remarkably well adjusted even after all this time, so it's possible to bring him in as an actual personality, as opposed to an elemental force like say Angron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4223391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tharand Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Thanks you guys. Now i have to find a thread I can hijack to ask when the WE turned khorne-red. (I guess it would be somewhere between the Elevation of angron to demonhood and terra.) I'm not sure it was at any given moment and probably happened when they started splitting off into chaos warbands. I think it's mentioned in 'Talon of Horus' that the World Eaters were still wearing the legion colors but I need to go back and check. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4223408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Why do people hold Graham McNeil's work in such high stead? It is a travesty of literature at large and is pretty pitiful in the whole Black Library canon. Aside from Wet Leopard Growl and the ridiculous Deus Ex Machina in it, Prospero Burns is one of the better novels. A Thousand Sons? A 6 year olds comic book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4223415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I liked it, was interesting at the time. But I like thousand sons sooo.. We all have our opinions, I thought furious abyss was crap for example. 'And then a world eater chopped 50 word bearer heads off in one massive swing, and all the word bearers bolters we're zeroed 5m wide at a 10m range. So they all missed and hit their own guys etc etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4223596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaSY Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 In the Khârn book by Anthony Reynolds, set during the battle that will make Khârn earn his title, some officers still wear their old white and blue colours. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4223756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Why do people hold Graham McNeil's work in such high stead? It is a travesty of literature at large and is pretty pitiful in the whole Black Library canon. Aside from Wet Leopard Growl and the ridiculous Deus Ex Machina in it, Prospero Burns is one of the better novels. A Thousand Sons? A 6 year olds comic book. I dont want to get too far on a rant, but I have to agree about "A Thousand Sons". Ahriman's faint at the Council of Nikea pissed me off more than GW's inevitable price hikes. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4223757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Wasn't his "faint" brought about by him suddenly absorbing a massive influx of information from Magnus, who had unintentionally let down his psychic guards? The same knowledge that just absorbing tiny little pieces long enough to write them down was killing Kallimakus? Fainting sounds like a much preferable result than death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4223795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Wasn't his "faint" brought about by him suddenly absorbing a massive influx of information from Magnus, who had unintentionally let down his psychic guards? The same knowledge that just absorbing tiny little pieces long enough to write them down was killing Kallimakus? Fainting sounds like a much preferable result than death. For the reader, and somebody who was very, very much looking forward to a fair look at Nikea, it was a cop out. We had a pretty speech from the bastion of truth and knowledge, and the petty words of a backworld bully. Before any real debate could happen, Ahriman faints. after so much build up it feels cheap. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4223800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Eh, maybe it didn't bug me because I wasn't expecting anything from Nikea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4223807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I ' d like to pitch in that the Legion was pretty messed up with the Fleshchange running rampant before they were reunited with Magnus. Magnus saved them individualy and as a fighting force. That's probably quite in favour of Magnus for those who lived through it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4223944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 But killing your captains with knowledge of the impending invasion, ensuring no early warning, lowering defences, sending your fleet away, not helping your sons when Russ, Valdor, and SoS are wrecking them...that's a dagger in the heart Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4224243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Again, he didn't know exactly what was going to happen. He was probably thinking he would be censured and brought to the emperor (which was the plan anyways). Most of his men didn't know why that had all happened, but what they did know is he showed up and saved them in the end. We know he hurt them, but they aren't the readers of the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4224295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Not saying it isn't. But the Sons as a majority don't seem to know about it. How can they react to something they are completely ignorant of? Ultimately, that is what the premise hangs on. Have you read the Purge? Remember how the Ultramarines decide to phosphex their own world while they are still on it, just in the hopes they might kill the Word Bearers? And remember their motivation behind it is that no one will know the Ultramarines did it? A blameless crime? Same exact circumstances. The Thousand Sons don't know about Magnus' actions and as a result, don't judge him for it. That's why I don't get why people freak about changes and then think changes in 30K are going to throw 40K upside down. Because the entire background hinges on personal bias and as far as 40K is concerned, those changes never happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4224309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 We haven't really seen what happens to the Sons so close after Prospero ( AFAIK ) So I am pitching most line legionnaires are probably along the lines of " We tried to warn the Emperor" - " the Emoeror not only sends the Wolves - he sent them to kill us!" - "Magnus was so shocked, he did not believe it himself. He recovered just in time to prevent us from being destroyed. " I'd be more pissed off by the Emperor than the Primarch at this point.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4224347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
drooling blood Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Magnus gave his sons the only option they had of surviving. With what was brought against him. Everyone stand down or we are destroyed. He had surrendered to the Emps plan of putting him on the throne. Had Russ just turned up and said whats goin on, have a beer. (hey hes the dumbarse frat bro acording to ADB) Invading fleet coming in. No defense, no one talks. Feth Valdor, feth Horus. Russ is a fething :cuss that cant think for himself. But they told me to. Whats that boy. Hey we can crush star systems, Ignorantia juris non excusat. Dont get me started on that treacherous fething nit wit Valdor. The Wolve's are just bitch tools in this, the first case of them having to do something like it. Its why they dont like being told what to do in 40k. Still dont understand how they were turning into wolves and the Imperial support didnt shoot them all, stone cold dead. Guess It's coz something something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4224406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Your first four sentences were good. The fifth/sixth one you lost me at. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4224408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 We haven't really seen what happens to the Sons so close after Prospero ( AFAIK ) So I am pitching most line legionnaires are probably along the lines of " We tried to warn the Emperor" - " the Emoeror not only sends the Wolves - he sent them to kill us!" - "Magnus was so shocked, he did not believe it himself. He recovered just in time to prevent us from being destroyed. " I'd be more pissed off by the Emperor than the Primarch at this point.... Yeah, because how you to shake it any two ways, yes they broke the Edict, yes they probably deserve to face justice, but they went to the Emperor with conclusive evidence someone was trying to taint one of his sons with the power of Chaos and his reaction was to condemn the messenger and ignore the message. And if the rest are anything like Ahriman and Magnus, they'll be focusing on the response too much to care about what Magnus did. Or not. We won't know until it happens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4224431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Your first four sentences were good. The fifth/sixth one you lost me at. Lost me at the ad hominem on Russ. . Mainly because the references are in regards to ATS, when TFH was written later, and in no refernce to Russ, while Prospero Burns which dealt with the Rout had so little to do with Russ it was a disappointment for that expectation. So... not quite sure what to make of that verbal diarrhetic explosion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4224442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Take a break. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315913-wouldnt-surviving-tsons-hate-magnus/page/2/#findComment-4224445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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