T'Karon Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Just thought, with the other threads for the Lion and Sanguinius I would start one on the Khan. I would think that he would a glass cannon. Probably high Initiative, high WS, and a fair amount of attacks. He was able to go toe to toe with Mortarion so he should have some pretty decent stats, not too mention Legion buffs. What do you guys think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Probably glass cannon. Good speed and WS, hit and run and things like that, but probably just a 2+ 5++. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Yeah I'm pretty much expecting him to be the loyalist points-equivalent of Alpharius. ~415 points, brings some cool tricks, doesn't necessarily have the best stat-line or armour save but lots of attacks that strike fast. Not too much to say beyond that really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I wonder if he will have the option to take a jet bike. That could be interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Probably WS7 I8 or 9 with a load of attacks. Maybe a 3+ like Angron with a 4++ or 5++. I honestly think a 3+ is dumb on a primarch too, but it'd fit the whole glass cannon idea. If he takes his bike though, he goes up to a 2+ with a 3+ reroll able jink or something silly like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I foresee khan having a jetbikers that he can use to move like a FMC, like the coldstar suit the tau have. He will probably have some bonus in close combat when he charges. He will probably be on par speed wise with fulgrim. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T'Karon Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 Yeah I can definitely see a Jetbike as an option for the Khan. I don't think a 3+ save would be that representative of him, 2+/5++ (like Corax) seems more reasonable IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionary Pallas Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I don't think ANY primarch should have a 3+, it just doesn't make sense what with artificer armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
powwow Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 After reading Scars, I wondered if he will get an equivalent of Horus' disabling strike as he wrecks his opponents with a thousand cuts. Speed could be used to buff his defenses as well i.e. able to sacrifice attacks for buffed invul save like the ec relic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Fulgrim has a 2+/5++ upgrading to a 3++ in a challenge, Corax a 2+/5++, while Curze a 2+/4++. In the instance of the JP, they gain D3 Hammer of Wrath and Hit and Run. I think 2+/4++ is fitting for the Khan. T7 including mount. Maybe do like Angron and only give him 5 wounds. As for rules, it's pretty much a given he has Hit and Run; either as a Primarch himself, his Sire of the Legion rule, the Legion Rules, or a Rite of War. To promote that style of play, he'll get the most attacks on the charge; an AP2 spear with perhaps setting his Strength to 10 on the charge rather than +1. WS8, I8 is similar enough to become a decent duellist. Perhaps a Strikedown and Concussive attack on the charge so that if he Hit and Runs, they suffer a d6" move and -2" charge range, while Concussive means that he can let his guys mob up. Skilled Rider; again, a given. Perhaps an immunity to Concussive so he can hit and run without people crimping his style. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I wanna see him on the rhino! I don't remember much of the fluff for it but I remember he had a personalised one. It was probably just an upscaled one he could fit in but I've always seen him standing on top of it, screaming and tearing traitors apart. On rules? High WS (I hink he is suppose to be the best swordsman) high initiative, lots of attacks, weaker armour and lower toughness and wounds than the average primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I wanna see him on the rhino! I don't remember much of the fluff for it but I remember he had a personalised one. It was probably just an upscaled one he could fit in but I've always seen him standing on top of it, screaming and tearing traitors apart. On rules? High WS (I hink he is suppose to be the best swordsman) high initiative, lots of attacks, weaker armour and lower toughness and wounds than the average primarch. I remember a diorama was made of Khan riding atop a Rhino during the Siege of Terra, back when the White Dwarf magazine supported the hobby. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I wanna see him on the rhino! I don't remember much of the fluff for it but I remember he had a personalised one. It was probably just an upscaled one he could fit in but I've always seen him standing on top of it, screaming and tearing traitors apart. On rules? High WS (I hink he is suppose to be the best swordsman) high initiative, lots of attacks, weaker armour and lower toughness and wounds than the average primarch. I remember a diorama was made of Khan riding atop a Rhino during the Siege of Terra, back when the White Dwarf magazine supported the hobby. WLK Do you mean this old gem? http://www.spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/sht_04.jpg 'Cause I think that's him riding out of the gates on the Land Raider. My favorite part of this diorama had to be Khârn standing atop the rubble of the first breach in the wall atop a pile of broken Blood Angels and World Eaters. Yeah, they better recreate this one some day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Yeah! FW need to make it and I need it in my life. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Is it ever mentioned anywhere that the Khan is particularly fragile for a primarch? Perhaps he wears exceptionally sleek/light armour to allow maximum speed? I honestly think the Khan, Fulgrim, and the Lion should be the three most skilled swordsmen. His WS should be up there...definitely not a mere 7. In face, the Khan seems to be the most pragmatic and vicious out of these 3. Fulgrim and the Lion display arrogance at times (Fulgrim moreso than the Lion...but the Lion dismisses Curze as an unskilled opponent before getting taken down and choked), but the Khan seems to be all business. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I wonder if they'll give him the Giant Power Dao he uses in Scars or something else like a Tulwar/Scimitar or a Pole Weapon like a Guan Dao. For some reason I always saw him armed with a Nodachi or similar. As for Fighting Style, while I would personally like Iaido-style fighting for him (one decisive strike) I dont really see it as translating properly or being part of his character all that much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Is it ever mentioned anywhere that the Khan is particularly fragile for a primarch? Perhaps he wears exceptionally sleek/light armour to allow maximum speed? I honestly think the Khan, Fulgrim, and the Lion should be the three most skilled swordsmen. His WS should be up there...definitely not a mere 7. In face, the Khan seems to be the most pragmatic and vicious out of these 3. Fulgrim and the Lion display arrogance at times (Fulgrim moreso than the Lion...but the Lion dismisses Curze as an unskilled opponent before getting taken down and choked), but the Khan seems to be all business. Nothing whatsoever that says he's fragile. For me it's about balance, if he hits faster, harder and more frequently than anyone else AND is tough as nails, he's going to be OP. I don't know a lot about the White Scars but it seems to fit their style too. Hit first and retreat, hit again and retreat (that was in Scars, right?). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4222994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 He should have Scout, Skilled Rider and Hit and Run as his special rules, as well as being mounted on a jet bike with a Heavy Bolter. Being mounted on a bike would make him a very useful and mobile Primarch. As for Stats: WS7 BS5 STR6 T6 W5 Attk5 LD10 I7 2++ His CC Weapon should be: Str+1 on the charge, AP2, Murderous Strike, Specialist Weapon His other ranged weapon should be a Plasma Pistol. His armour should provide a 5++, which is mitigated when he jinks. Also, Hammer of Wrath should be resolved at AP2. Will all this make him too powerful? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4223048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Can't agree with WS7...isn't Curze the unrefined brawler WS8? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4223070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Khan is more of the Hit and Run type, not the close combat specialist. I don't see why he'd have a higher WS than 8... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4223089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 He's been quoted a few times as being the best swordsman among the primarchs. I'd say WS8 at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4223115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Quoted by who? Lol Sabguinius, Horus, Guilliman, the Lion... They've all been quoted as being the best at some point! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4223129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 He's been quoted a few times as being the best swordsman among the primarchs. I'd say WS8 at least. I feel like that is contended between Fulgrim and the Lion as well. All three of them fight somewhat similiar with fast, talented strikes. Idk why Curze has WS8 other than he's crazy enough to risk it all for a few hits or his precognition is running high. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4223131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Angron has WZ9, Curze, Horus, Perturabo all WS8. WS7 is reserved for the potatoes like Mortarion or Vulkan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4223138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Angron has WZ9, Curze, Horus, Perturabo all WS8. WS7 is reserved for the potatoes like Mortarion or Vulkan. Which leads me to believe that both Khan and the Lion will have WS8 but the Khan will have I9, but the Lion will have some sort of "first strike" rule if he charges. The Khan should have a metric crap ton of bonuses to charging with something like an auto hit and run ability. He's able to go in and hit hard and fast and then must leave combat or he'll be obliterated. WS8 BS6 S6 T6 W5 A6 I9 LD10 SV2+/5++ Two handed gun dao (?) S+1 AP2 Melee, Shred, Murderous Strike (5+) Ill postulate more later :yes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315928-how-will-the-khan-rank-on-the-table/#findComment-4223158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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