Ishagu Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Easily one of my favourite Primarchs, literally removing unwieldy from his weapon would make him far more impressive. Fulgrim was amended with rules for Firebrand... You think FW might tinker with Dorn? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 ...I Hope so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I hope they make the bloody model already! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 Why don't we all sign a petition and I'll get it mailed across? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Only if they drop Unwieldy on Silence too :P ...please? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 Only if they drop Unwieldy on Silence too :P ...please? Mortarion is a total beast with brilliant rules... Not sure we can say the same for Dorn :-/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 If they bumped his points to 400 and dropped unwieldy he'd actually be useful. Edit: and make his bolter assault 3/salvo 5 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Only if they drop Unwieldy on Silence too ...please? Mortarion is a total beast with brilliant rules... Not sure we can say the same for Dorn :-/ Well, aside from Silence itself and poisoned missiles (woo...) I agree. Storm's Teeth is mentioned as being only one of several weapons that Dorn uses. I've been thinking we might see alternate weapons for several loyalist primarchs way further down in the heresy actually, as these are the weapons they favored in the Great Crusade. Now that things are getting more desperate and they may have to face off with daemon primarchs, I wouldn't be surprised to see some alternate weapon entries as some of the loyalists look to more dangerous/desperate weaponry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Lucian Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I still cant see how a weapon wielded by a god damm primarch.. is unwieldy. Make it notch their initiative down, but being slower than everyone else is just stupid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 You have as much of a chance of Dorn losing Unwieldy as Mortarion does. And don't get me started on that BS... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Consdering how great most of the fist characters are and their solid army rules, I hope the attention is given to other armies. Like the folks without any rules or the legions from the first book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Dorn is perfectly fine as he is. He doesn't need a new weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Didn't FW say that when the model comes out, unwieldy is going to make sense. It's gonna be huge, I'm picturing Cloud from Final Fantasy VII. To answer your question though - Of course it's possible. I don't particularly feel he needs it though, I always saw him as an army buff, not a front line combat monster. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Dorn does not need changing, and given FW's defence of his unwieldy weapon at the Weekender this year ('wait till you see the size of it') there are other units/characters who need a change far more than him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Unwieldy is fine the rest of the rules are not for the weapon are not in line with it. If it's going to be massive, why is Guilliman' tiny powerfist immensely more powerful? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 It's not the size, bro, its how you use it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 It's still a Chainsword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Can anyone explain what makes him so bad at 385pts? He has Weapon Skill 8. That is the same as Horus, Fulgrim, Curze, Perturabo the equal of him, and Angron the better. Admittedly, we are left with Russ, Sanguinius, the Lion and the Khan, all of whom arguably are around a similar quality. But he is better than Mortarion, Vulkan, Lorgar, Alpharius, Corax and Ferrus. He has S6, Shred and Rampage. S6 and Shred is better than S7; against most targets, he's wounding on a 2+ with reroll. On the charge, that's average 7 attacks, hitting on a 3+; 4-5 hits, wounding on a 2+ with a rr; 4-5 wounds. Alternatively, facing monstrous creatures, he can go to 3-4 attacks and simply crush them. I've seen him take down a Wraithknight with 4 attacks wounding on a 4+ with a Shred in a single turn. Lucky, but 3 hits (hitting on 3's) 3 wounds (wounding on a 4+ reroll) and 3 failed saves later, and a happy set of D3's later, it's kaplooey! Wraithknight goo everywhere. Same applies for Castellax. Now, your complaints for who you're facing. "He's only Unwieldy". Anybody who is facing a Primarch, or thinks that they might be bringing a Primarch are going to bring Thunder Hammers. Guess what they do? The difference is that you already have Unwieldy, so it triggers from round 1, rather than round 2. As for what else he brings? Scoring Deep Striking Terminators? 225pts to bring down 5 Combi-Weapons with a 2+/4++ and power weapons. Seeker Squads have to take an Anvillus Pod or Orbital Assault Rite of War which can hammer the rest of the list (and drops the cost of the Terminators to 210pts); to have the same effect, you have to spend 225 just on the unit, let alone the delivery service. And they take up Fast Attack, and cost between a further 35/100pts(+1FA) for delivery method. For a unit which gets 1/battle Twin Linked and Precision Shots over a 2+/4++ no Overwatch, or a 2+/5++ with overwatch and Power Weapons. Gives his army Ld10 and +d3 to Combat on some possibly stubborn units. Right. He doesn't even need to engage to basically grant the benefit in CC of giving a normal Tactical Squad another 12 attacks. And 3 Fortifications/ruins rerolling 1's and causing Pinning (Ld10 Stubborn) to be rerolled. He's not the best. But he's not the worst. He is the most likely Primarch to be taken, after possibly Corax if you have the points to spend. Unwieldy? Blah. Can't see the wood for the trees. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegriss Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I think the unwieldy is meant to represent them versus other primarchs and then it makes sense him and Mort being slower then fulgrim or horus (but maybe not perdy ) but slower then a tac marine is a Lil silly but hey what do you do I think he is ok for his points just not as amazing like some primarchs but we do have sigi and Polux so I'm not complaining Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I think the unwieldy is meant to represent them versus other primarchs and then it makes sense him and Mort being slower then fulgrim or horus (but maybe not perdy ) but slower then a tac marine is a Lil silly but hey what do you do I think he is ok for his points just not as amazing like some primarchs but we do have sigi and Polux so I'm not complaining *psst* ..Perty is unwieldy with Forgebreaker too! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegriss Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 oh woops I'm at work and no one mentioned it so I apologize for forgetting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I think the unwieldy is meant to represent them versus other primarchs and then it makes sense him and Mort being slower then fulgrim or horus (but maybe not perdy ) but slower then a tac marine is a Lil silly but hey what do you do I think he is ok for his points just not as amazing like some primarchs but we do have sigi and Polux so I'm not complaining *psst* ..Perty is unwieldy with Forgebreaker too! INFERIOR IRON. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4227913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given If you wanted a close-combat monster you should have picked a different legion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4228323
Slips Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Its not like we dont have Sigismund... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4228327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given If you wanted a close-combat monster you should have picked a different legion Thank you. Way too many rules/gaming obsessed IF players around the AoD forum these days. Easy access to battle scribe and free time to build lists is killing the VII Legion spirit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/#findComment-4228334
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