Charlo Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Aye, unwieldy feels a bit crap on any Primarch... But I suppose it adds flavour and makes it so that they all don't just Roflstomp everything. Unless you are Vulkan. He Roflstomps everything in both shooting and cc! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 If you wanted a close-combat monster you should have picked a different legion Thank you. Way too many rules/gaming obsessed IF players around the AoD forum these days. Easy access to battle scribe and free time to build lists is killing the VII Legion spirit. But Ishagu posted this and hes Ultramarine to his core I also dont really see a bunch of IF players who are rules/gaming obsessed either. I see folks building lists sure but thats what you do in the hobby isint it ? When yer not playing or painting something yer working on lists reading fluff , snorting coke off the rear end of a sister of batt- Reading fluff What Legion Spirit do you think is being killed? The folks who wanna run Sigismund and Templar Brethren and charge into combat ? Isint that what those dudes are for ? Personally I dont reckon anything is wrong wit Dorn , hes middle of the road fighty wise but he makes up for it in a decent price and good army buffs. Fer the most part Id rather have a Typhon than him tho and thats perfectly fine Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I think the main problem is that people see it and the gut reaction is "oh man, this means hell lose in combat to Primarch X!" But in reality unless you are Horus you shouldn't be fighting Primarch X Primarch. It's epic but a silly idea that won't resolve before the game ends.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I think the unwieldy is meant to represent them versus other primarchs and then it makes sense him and Mort being slower then fulgrim or horus (but maybe not perdy ) but slower then a tac marine is a Lil silly but hey what do you do I think he is ok for his points just not as amazing like some primarchs but we do have sigi and Polux so I'm not complaining *psst* ..Perty is unwieldy with Forgebreaker too! INFERIOR IRON. Perturabo superior, Ferrus Mannus inferior. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@verik115 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 If you wanted a close-combat monster you should have picked a different legion No you just need Sigismund :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 If you wanted a close-combat monster you should have picked a different legion No you just need Sigismund :P Sigismund is great but Primarchs will still put him down in a duel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 lol comment wasn't directed at Ishagu, more at the folks who want the legion with ZERO drawbacks to have the one handicap removed from their primarch. Seriously there isn't a single negative thing about Imperial Fists (from a rules standpoint). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given Well, their RoW sucks. Screw those guys! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228408
Slips Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 lol comment wasn't directed at Ishagu, more at the folks who want the legion with ZERO drawbacks to have the one handicap removed from their primarch. Seriously there isn't a single negative thing about Imperial Fists (from a rules standpoint). I agree. I mean, your opponent forcing Turn 6 on you is HARDLY a Negative. The only potential negative I see is how restrictive the Stone Gauntlet is and how much it takes to run properly. ...But then you ignore than and just run Templar and Stomp things in CC and shoot your BPs at Bs5 'cuz why not? +++ Also, with Dorns Sundering Blow, he's probably one of the better primarchs around to deal with GMCs. Less attacks but each deal an Extra D3 Wounds due to Instant Death. *revvs the Wraithknight Blender* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 lol comment wasn't directed at Ishagu, more at the folks who want the legion with ZERO drawbacks to have the one handicap removed from their primarch. Seriously there isn't a single negative thing about Imperial Fists (from a rules standpoint). I agree. I mean, your opponent forcing Turn 6 on you is HARDLY a Negative. The only potential negative I see is how restrictive the Stone Gauntlet is and how much it takes to run properly. ...But then you ignore than and just run Templar and Stomp things in CC and shoot your BPs at Bs5 'cuz why not? +++ Also, with Dorns Sundering Blow, he's probably one of the better primarchs around to deal with GMCs. Less attacks but each deal an Extra D3 Wounds due to Instant Death. *revvs the Wraithknight Blender* Exactly. Plus everyone's RoW is restrictive (hence why every terror assault list is practically a clone of each other). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given lol comment wasn't directed at Ishagu, more at the folks who want the legion with ZERO drawbacks to have the one handicap removed from their primarch. Seriously there isn't a single negative thing about Imperial Fists (from a rules standpoint). When you preface a response with lol it makes it seem like yer mocking the person yer responding to. As far as the comment in question I understand it wasant direct at Isagu , it seems to be directed toward new Imperial Fists HH players who are struggling to figure out lists they want to run. It struck me as a very backhanded insult toward those of us who want to run our armies in an effective manner and not just spam dudes with shields and die on hills ( in ruins ) for fun. As I mentioned before , I dont think Dorn really needs a change hes fine fer what he is. I just dont see the point in saying the spirit of the legion is being ruined by players who want to build thier armies a particular way. As of Yesterday Ive played Several Age of Darkness Games and Several Zone Mortalis and I have been having a lot of fun watching Sigismund kill everything I put him in contact with. I enjoy playing the legion my way and its effective ( to a point ) fer me. Why would I not use battlescribe to figure out how im going to build lists and choose what im going to buy. Rules Are Important , especially if you plan to play the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228422
Black_out Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I think the main problem is that people see it and the gut reaction is "oh man, this means hell lose in combat to Primarch X!" But in reality unless you are Horus you shouldn't be fighting Primarch X Primarch. It's epic but a silly idea that won't resolve before the game ends.... Unless the opposing primarch is Horus I'm notorious for throwing Curze at the enemy primarchto tie them up for a turn to save a unit before using hit & run to bail and charge another unit next turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 In general, yes, unless you want to neutralize both Primarchs for more or less the entirety of a game and thus render them both useless, you generally want to avoid them fighting each other. Horus only wins out because of the Stat Reduction his Claw Causes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given How do you report for trolling/baiting when on mobile? Getting really quite sick of certain peoples 'high horse' attitudes in regards to how think think they are superior because of a personal choice in how they play their game. It is a vocal minority which ruins this forum and goes back to what gave b+c the bad name it used to have years and years ago. Getting really quite annoyed with seeing snidey little comments creep in. Tiring, and disappointing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228444
Ishagu Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 I think the main problem is that people see it and the gut reaction is "oh man, this means hell lose in combat to Primarch X!" But in reality unless you are Horus you shouldn't be fighting Primarch X Primarch. It's epic but a silly idea that won't resolve before the game ends.... Unless the opposing primarch is Horus I'm notorious for throwing Curze at the enemy primarchto tie them up for a turn to save a unit before using hit & run to bail and charge another unit next turn. Primarch v Primarch battles are something I enjoy. Yes, it ties them both up but it's pretty awesome to see on the tabletop. Guilliman stops those pesky Hit and Run guys by Dropping them to Initiative 1 ;-) But no, it's not tactical. In a competitive game I wouldn't commit to such a lengthy assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Carnelian Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 It's not about who strikes the first blow, brothers. It's about who strikes the last. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given How do you report for trolling/baiting when on mobile? Getting really quite sick of certain peoples 'high horse' attitudes in regards to how think think they are superior because of a personal choice in how they play their game. It is a vocal minority which ruins this forum and goes back to what gave b+c the bad name it used to have years and years ago. Getting really quite annoyed with seeing snidey little comments creep in. Tiring, and disappointing. I agree. I've been guilty of it too, but I think that's just because I became so jaded with the min/max nature of the 40k community. Dorn is really more of a positive buffer than anything - I honestly don't think all Primarchs should be beatsticks, it just gets boring. Sure he's not as powerful as other Primarchs, but he can still mulch things as would be expected of a primarch. Plus IFs get Siggy, and storm shields, Templar brethren, and assault cannons to name a few. I think they are a far cry from being left in a ditch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228592
Marshal Rohr Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given How do you report for trolling/baiting when on mobile? Getting really quite sick of certain peoples 'high horse' attitudes in regards to how think think they are superior because of a personal choice in how they play their game. It is a vocal minority which ruins this forum and goes back to what gave b+c the bad name it used to have years and years ago. Getting really quite annoyed with seeing snidey little comments creep in. Tiring, and disappointing. Did someone say they were superior explicitly or are you reading tone in text again? If you're so tired and disappointed why even bother responding to people who don't like gaming meta? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228609
Hesh Kadesh Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, November 18, 2015 - No reason given http://farm1.static.flickr.com/98/206636171_0021c26a2e_m.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228618
Raktra Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 It's not about who strikes the first blow, brothers. It's about who strikes the last. And it'll always be Dorn. Muahahahaha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I just feel bad for the guy, whom given his status as a primarch, still uses a chainsword (albeit a gigantic one) but has to attack at I1 because of it while all the legionaries using one get to strike at actual initiative. Lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 ++ Keep it pleasant and amicable post-cleanup. Please and thanks.++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316167-is-there-a-chance-fw-will-amend-dorns-rules/page/2/#findComment-4228699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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